Spooks do battle with MPs
It is rare to see Britain’s intelligence agencies, MI5 and MI6, in open battle with MPs from all parties, including the Deputy Prime Minister.
That is not necessarily how Britain’s spooks see it and certainly not how they want it to be seen. They point out that the row over proposed restrictions on how intelligence is used in court are principally a matter for the Ministry of Justice, which produced a Green Paper on the subject last year.
But it will be the spies whose reputation – and whose ability to share information with the Americans – which will be damaged if this row over open or closed courts is not resolved quickly. As it must be, in the interests of Britain’s national security
Let me explain. Since September the 11th, the degree of intelligence sharing between the British and Americans has reached levels not experienced since the Second World War. The Americans tell us far more than we tell them, because their intelligence apparatus is so much bigger. Whatever you think of the UK’s involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, the most important by-product of the “Special Relationship” in the last decade has been the degree of US Intelligence which reaches here. 
But in recent years, an undercurrent of anxiety has beset the relationship. Put simply, the Americans have backed off telling us as much as they could. The trigger for this was a series of civil court cases, brought by Binyam Mohamed and other former Guantanamo Bay detainees, in which vital evidence came from the CIA. So adamant was MI6 that this information from its most important partner should not be aired in court, that the government felt itself forced into costly out-of-court settlements instead.
At risk here was the so called “Control Principle”. An Intelligence Agency reserves the right to decide how far its intelligence should be shared. And the Americans, long criticised for their interrogation techniques and their use of “extraordinary rendition”, do not want their unlawful practices or the intelligence it produced ending up in British courts. Nor, for that matter, does MI6, still recovering from the reputational damage of the Iraq war fiasco and the continuing “guilt by association” which tarnishes the image of its closeness to the CIA.
Nobody in government doubts that this relationship with the Americans is worth preserving. But at what cost to British justice? The political row is about whether ministers or judges should have the power to decide what intelligence should be disclosed.
The government’s Green Paper proposed last October that ministers should have that power. Now an all-party backlash is in full swing, after a parliamentary human rights committee said the proposals were a departure from the norms of open justice.
Civil liberties groups – and libertarians on all political parties – are arguing with the government about the way forward. One option is a Canadian-style system, whereby judges are trained in intelligence matters and are therefore more sensitive to MI5 and MI6′s concerns. Whatever happens, compromise will be the order of the day.
And in the meantime, the risk is that the intelligence tap in Washington continues to drip ever more slowly, with the Americans refusing to disclose raw intelligence material in favour of generalised threat warnings which give less information away.
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I find it particularly worrying that we are willing to deal with “friendly” countries like the USA who are ignoring privacy laws and safeguards. Perhaps it is the basis of the corporation that should be questioned rather then the excuses made as to why security is more important then liberty. When nations like Iran censure its people we in the west are outraged and egged on by the very same governments that wish to impose them here in the name of democracy and safe guarding our freedoms
I’m not outraged at Iran censoring some of it’s people, may Iranians live a very nice comfortable life, it’s just the media picking the worse for healines, I have no worries whatsoever that our government deals with our allies in their own way, they know far better the working of the USA and how to deal with them, we really know nothing of the workings of the MI5/6 and thats the way it should be, what threatens our democracy is the power of the police and their ill bread way of dealing with the citizens of the UK, why pay a bonus to a police officer for doing his duty? transparency should be aimed at this sector of government puppets.
“Whatever happens compromise will be the order of the day”….Look,why can’t journalist’s stop parroting for the rich elites who want their private spy network able to cover their tracks.The “security services” of both US and UK have a dark history of supporting government policy that has been cruel and disasterous.This is why we need transparency,not compromise on open justice.
No Transparency for the secret service, how can they do their jobs with MPs, commititees and the publice watching over their shoulders.
gathering information is a serious and important part of keeping Great britain safe.
We are slowly but surely turning into a dictatorship with this move. We need to maintain our personal freedoms that have been fought for not give them up. Ministers can give no concrete reason for turning our justice system on its head. The CIA are as worried about revealing stuff to their own courts as they are to ours, so is there really a problem here? The waffle I hear recently is no justification for withholding accusations & evidence from a defendant and their legal representation and thereby removing the burden of proof from prosecutors.
Jonathan,
“The Americans tell us far more than we tell them”?
Oh really? How do you know? If it is “secret” how can a mere journalist know the quantity and content?…..Bit of a giveaway there don’t you think?
As for “…the Americans, long criticised for their interrogation techniques and their use of “extraordinary rendition”…” – interesting use of Newspeak there. Still, it avoids use of the words “torture” and “concentration camp” so it must have some value in the world of professional paranoid loonies.
Meanwhile, if our “intelligence” services would stop interfering in the lives of other nations and their people we might be able to live in peace. I wouldn’t make book on it though. The bureaucrats – some of them mass murderers – have too much to lose if they’re made redundant.
Then again they will always be able to rely on compliant journalists for support. Ask Jon Snow: he once told them to do one when they tried to recruit him. But you can bet your bottom CIA dollar there were others who didn’t……..
Whats the point in having a secret service if it’s not secret.
Why do the public and MPs need to know everything.
These guys need to work undercover in hostle places around the world dealing with dangerous peope for the protection of this country.
The Secret Service should indeed be secret and serve a useful purpose, BUT they do not serve us if their existence and mode of operation is at the expense of the way o life that they are supposedly trying to protect. Who on earth do these people think they are that hey can take away our freedoms without proper debate and agreement of us all.
Why are the Lib Dems up in arms now? This ghovernment have been working on the snooping tech since the last election.
“We will introduce a programme to preserve the ability of the security, intelligence and law enforcement agencies to obtain communication data and to intercept communications within the appropriate legal framework” – Oct 2010
Home Office Counter Terrorism Strategy (CONTEST) rleased – July 2011
Interecept Modernisation programme renamed Communications Capabilities Development Programme
Publish proposals for the storage of internet and e-mail records, including introducing legislation if necessary – Home Office Structural Reform Plan – Jun 2010
http://cynicism.me/2012/04/08/how-the-government-is-introducing-the-technology-to-spy-on-us-without-democratic-oversight/