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		<title>By: Rad</title>
		<link>http://blogs.channel4.com/thetvshow/2009/01/09/christianity-a-history/comment-page-5/#comment-2034</link>
		<dc:creator>Rad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you miss the whole section where he visited Ethipioa and said this was the place that had been Christian the longest then?</description>
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		<title>By: Julie Maister</title>
		<link>http://blogs.channel4.com/thetvshow/2009/01/09/christianity-a-history/comment-page-5/#comment-2013</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Maister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just watched Cherie Blair and have to vent my spleen. Why is this woman given air time? She begins by telling us Christians have been maginalised in recent years. Whose fault is this? Oh yes her husband&#039;s Labour government with its relentless PC drive towards inclusiveness which has left local councils unable to display Christmas lights. She talks about the allienation of women - where were her interviews with Cof E female vicars? Oh this was all from a catholic point of view! What about the role of Christianity in Eastern Europe under the communists? Surely wherever there is oppression  as for the African Americans also the church flourishes. And finally the UK has a hugh benefit system which doesn&#039;t exist in the USA, so naturally when in need people here turn to the state not the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just watched Cherie Blair and have to vent my spleen. Why is this woman given air time? She begins by telling us Christians have been maginalised in recent years. Whose fault is this? Oh yes her husband&#8217;s Labour government with its relentless PC drive towards inclusiveness which has left local councils unable to display Christmas lights. She talks about the allienation of women &#8211; where were her interviews with Cof E female vicars? Oh this was all from a catholic point of view! What about the role of Christianity in Eastern Europe under the communists? Surely wherever there is oppression  as for the African Americans also the church flourishes. And finally the UK has a hugh benefit system which doesn&#8217;t exist in the USA, so naturally when in need people here turn to the state not the church.</p>
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		<title>By: Boo Kittingsohn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.channel4.com/thetvshow/2009/01/09/christianity-a-history/comment-page-5/#comment-2010</link>
		<dc:creator>Boo Kittingsohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry??  I was born and raised a Catholic and was a practising Christian...  And what is a Protestant Catholic??  I think you may be a little confused.  Catholicism falls under the umbrella of Christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry??  I was born and raised a Catholic and was a practising Christian&#8230;  And what is a Protestant Catholic??  I think you may be a little confused.  Catholicism falls under the umbrella of Christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blogs.channel4.com/thetvshow/2009/01/09/christianity-a-history/comment-page-5/#comment-1958</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 20:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a great series, informative, interesting and technically superbly executed. I think I spotted one or two howlers but on balance I came away having learned a lot. For me, Portillo was the best (which I wasn&#039;t expecting at all) and Cherie Blair was easily the worst as her arguments were incoherent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a great series, informative, interesting and technically superbly executed. I think I spotted one or two howlers but on balance I came away having learned a lot. For me, Portillo was the best (which I wasn&#8217;t expecting at all) and Cherie Blair was easily the worst as her arguments were incoherent.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Fielder</title>
		<link>http://blogs.channel4.com/thetvshow/2009/01/09/christianity-a-history/comment-page-4/#comment-1952</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Fielder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the whole series very informative and enjoyable. 
The problems is I have defineltely gone from agnostic to complete atheist.
Not something that I believe the makers intended</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the whole series very informative and enjoyable.<br />
The problems is I have defineltely gone from agnostic to complete atheist.<br />
Not something that I believe the makers intended</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blogs.channel4.com/thetvshow/2009/01/09/christianity-a-history/comment-page-4/#comment-1950</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I was pleasantly surprised by the fact that Cherie Blair sees the future as not related to the pomp and ceremony of traditional church-going (as per the Book of Christ, by the way), I find it unfortunate that she is described as a &quot;staunch Catolic&quot;.

That does not compute.

We are now aware of many inconvenient truths:

1) The Bible was written by men, not a God
2) The books of the Bible were selected by men
3) There are myriad organised religions and factions within factions of each
4) If one of them is right, and that seems unlikely, it is very well hidden 
among all the others
5) Given our beliefs it seems unlikel that all the followers of the other factions are doomed

Mrs Blair seemed to be interested in a non-denominational approach similar to the USA, which would be a big step forward in my view but there is something lacking in that to my mind - a blind, bland faith of not very well defined form. And to be honest it smacked very much more of popularity than conviction.

What I would like to see is a move away from popularity... an attempt to &quot;get at the truth&quot;. Perhaps a joining with science to look at the spiritual nature of Man and try to advance our knowledge and understanding rather than come at this with preconcieved ideas as is the case today.

The days of churchmen as leaders of a community, pontificating from on high (and sometimes from very far away as with a Pope) are gone.

And it concerns me to see Cabinet members voting their Catholic religious conscience - the Pope cannot be allowed to vote in British cabinet. If they cannot put that aside then they are not fir for office in my view.

Instead, let&#039;s see the various denominations come together to examine the God question together with a view to moving towards enlightenment and understanding rather than telling us how it is - because, guys, we already know that you know no more than we do.

They won&#039;t all join in at first, a few to begin with perhaps... but others will join later when they see that it is the way forward and everyone knows it.

Before that can happen people must be prepared to put aside the ingrained belief systems that they were brought up with - even indoctrinated with - and look at this from a clean-sheet perspective.

Hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I was pleasantly surprised by the fact that Cherie Blair sees the future as not related to the pomp and ceremony of traditional church-going (as per the Book of Christ, by the way), I find it unfortunate that she is described as a &#8220;staunch Catolic&#8221;.</p>
<p>That does not compute.</p>
<p>We are now aware of many inconvenient truths:</p>
<p>1) The Bible was written by men, not a God<br />
2) The books of the Bible were selected by men<br />
3) There are myriad organised religions and factions within factions of each<br />
4) If one of them is right, and that seems unlikely, it is very well hidden<br />
among all the others<br />
5) Given our beliefs it seems unlikel that all the followers of the other factions are doomed</p>
<p>Mrs Blair seemed to be interested in a non-denominational approach similar to the USA, which would be a big step forward in my view but there is something lacking in that to my mind &#8211; a blind, bland faith of not very well defined form. And to be honest it smacked very much more of popularity than conviction.</p>
<p>What I would like to see is a move away from popularity&#8230; an attempt to &#8220;get at the truth&#8221;. Perhaps a joining with science to look at the spiritual nature of Man and try to advance our knowledge and understanding rather than come at this with preconcieved ideas as is the case today.</p>
<p>The days of churchmen as leaders of a community, pontificating from on high (and sometimes from very far away as with a Pope) are gone.</p>
<p>And it concerns me to see Cabinet members voting their Catholic religious conscience &#8211; the Pope cannot be allowed to vote in British cabinet. If they cannot put that aside then they are not fir for office in my view.</p>
<p>Instead, let&#8217;s see the various denominations come together to examine the God question together with a view to moving towards enlightenment and understanding rather than telling us how it is &#8211; because, guys, we already know that you know no more than we do.</p>
<p>They won&#8217;t all join in at first, a few to begin with perhaps&#8230; but others will join later when they see that it is the way forward and everyone knows it.</p>
<p>Before that can happen people must be prepared to put aside the ingrained belief systems that they were brought up with &#8211; even indoctrinated with &#8211; and look at this from a clean-sheet perspective.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.channel4.com/thetvshow/2009/01/09/christianity-a-history/comment-page-4/#comment-1948</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 08:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This one threw me too at first, but when I checked the Gospel of John carefully I realised that it never actually refers to Jesus being baptised, it only mentions John baptising people, Jesus coming to him and John talking about him.  I found this very interesting because it shows how easily our preconceptions can colour what we think we are reading.  I do agree though that the series as a whole contained numerous errors and was therefore a bit misleading, but to be fair the series didn&#039;t present itself as a factual documentary only a collection of personal opinions of various well known people, not all of them academics.  Personally I thought the most misleading episode was the second one in which Michael Portillo appears to repeat some of the errors in &quot;The DaVinci Code&quot; regarding the first council of Nicea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one threw me too at first, but when I checked the Gospel of John carefully I realised that it never actually refers to Jesus being baptised, it only mentions John baptising people, Jesus coming to him and John talking about him.  I found this very interesting because it shows how easily our preconceptions can colour what we think we are reading.  I do agree though that the series as a whole contained numerous errors and was therefore a bit misleading, but to be fair the series didn&#8217;t present itself as a factual documentary only a collection of personal opinions of various well known people, not all of them academics.  Personally I thought the most misleading episode was the second one in which Michael Portillo appears to repeat some of the errors in &#8220;The DaVinci Code&#8221; regarding the first council of Nicea.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruno Augustin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.channel4.com/thetvshow/2009/01/09/christianity-a-history/comment-page-4/#comment-1944</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruno Augustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 23:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I would like to congratulate Channel 4 for having the courage and imagination to commission this series, which, on the whole, I have enjoyed and found stimulating.  It has certainly inspired a lot of healthy debate, judging from the varying comments on this site.

However, I have two major criticisms about the series that in my opinion have prevented it from being truly seminal.  These are:

1.	The last episode presented by Cherie Blair sadly was not up to the standard of all the previous episodes.   Either blinded by her own prejudices or naivety, Mrs Blair gave American evangelicalism far too easy a ride in suggesting that it could provide some lessons for Christianity in Europe.

Firstly, it was too simplistic for Mrs Blair to suggest that Christianity in Europe was generally failing.  One only needs to visit countries such as Poland to witness the power that the established Catholic Church still wields over the people, in a uniquely nationalist way.

Secondly, although it is fair to say that Christianity played a significant part in the civil rights movement in the US, she omits to mention that the powers that resisted and opposed this movement in the deep south were themselves greatly influenced by a very conservative form of Christianity - one that still exists today, and that in fact played a major role in getting George W Bush re-elected in 2004, supporting the very un-Christian bloodbath he unleashed in Iraq.

Thirdly, I find it curious that she should hold up the Willow Farm church as an example of a form of worship that could save the future of Christianity.  She mentions that modern materialism is one of the reasons why western Christianity has dwindled in popularity.  Is the irony of what she says not lost on her when visiting a church that is built like a shopping mall, where worship is conducted in a cinema-like auditorium and where parishioners can meet up beforehand in Starbucks-like cafes? Does not the existence of such a church highlight the problem with modern materialism rather than provide a cure for it?  

Most importantly, no questions are asked about how such an establishment is funded, what happens to any profits that are made, and how the pastors are remunerated.  There have been too many scandals about TV evangelists in the US – Jim Bakker, Jimmy Lee Swaggart and Pat Robertson to name a few, for such questions not to be posed. 

2.	The lack of any consideration of the Orthodox Church – this is an important branch of Christianity whose story needs to be told for any so called “history of Christianity” to be truly representative.  Perhaps Channel 4 tried but failed to find an Orthodox presenter for any of the episodes.  I think a suitable episode for such a presenter would have been the one about the dark ages, when the story of the schism between the Orthodox and Catholic churches may have been discussed.  The excellent Robert Beckford could instead have been asked to do the final episode on the future of Christianity, which I’m sure he would have done a far better job of than the hapless Mrs Blair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I would like to congratulate Channel 4 for having the courage and imagination to commission this series, which, on the whole, I have enjoyed and found stimulating.  It has certainly inspired a lot of healthy debate, judging from the varying comments on this site.</p>
<p>However, I have two major criticisms about the series that in my opinion have prevented it from being truly seminal.  These are:</p>
<p>1.	The last episode presented by Cherie Blair sadly was not up to the standard of all the previous episodes.   Either blinded by her own prejudices or naivety, Mrs Blair gave American evangelicalism far too easy a ride in suggesting that it could provide some lessons for Christianity in Europe.</p>
<p>Firstly, it was too simplistic for Mrs Blair to suggest that Christianity in Europe was generally failing.  One only needs to visit countries such as Poland to witness the power that the established Catholic Church still wields over the people, in a uniquely nationalist way.</p>
<p>Secondly, although it is fair to say that Christianity played a significant part in the civil rights movement in the US, she omits to mention that the powers that resisted and opposed this movement in the deep south were themselves greatly influenced by a very conservative form of Christianity &#8211; one that still exists today, and that in fact played a major role in getting George W Bush re-elected in 2004, supporting the very un-Christian bloodbath he unleashed in Iraq.</p>
<p>Thirdly, I find it curious that she should hold up the Willow Farm church as an example of a form of worship that could save the future of Christianity.  She mentions that modern materialism is one of the reasons why western Christianity has dwindled in popularity.  Is the irony of what she says not lost on her when visiting a church that is built like a shopping mall, where worship is conducted in a cinema-like auditorium and where parishioners can meet up beforehand in Starbucks-like cafes? Does not the existence of such a church highlight the problem with modern materialism rather than provide a cure for it?  </p>
<p>Most importantly, no questions are asked about how such an establishment is funded, what happens to any profits that are made, and how the pastors are remunerated.  There have been too many scandals about TV evangelists in the US – Jim Bakker, Jimmy Lee Swaggart and Pat Robertson to name a few, for such questions not to be posed. </p>
<p>2.	The lack of any consideration of the Orthodox Church – this is an important branch of Christianity whose story needs to be told for any so called “history of Christianity” to be truly representative.  Perhaps Channel 4 tried but failed to find an Orthodox presenter for any of the episodes.  I think a suitable episode for such a presenter would have been the one about the dark ages, when the story of the schism between the Orthodox and Catholic churches may have been discussed.  The excellent Robert Beckford could instead have been asked to do the final episode on the future of Christianity, which I’m sure he would have done a far better job of than the hapless Mrs Blair.</p>
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		<title>By: peter-hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter-hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Willow Creek Principles mentioned in the final program can be imported into GB, but it&#039;s no quick fix. the church I was in began by looking at it&#039;s services &amp; making them Seeker Friendly so if someone walks in off the street they understand what&#039;s going on. Begin by watching Mr Bean &amp; in particular the one where he sits on the front row of an Anglican, but could be any, Church. He does not know: the 1st verse is played through before you stand up, where the repeats are, which bits are men only in well known carols, that you do not share sweets with your neighbour during the sermon. What do you do in your Church? Do you make it clear the the offering is for those who attend &amp; support the Church, that you don&#039;t expect visitors to pay to come to church
Do you encourage people to stay for tea afterwords &amp; then not speak to them. It&#039;s so easily done with all the all the things people expect of us on a Sunday
Then ask : What does our community need? How can we help provide this? Are people aware of what we do during the week? Do they know we have a Mums &amp; Tots group - is it at the best time? Does the community see us as irrelevant? This ones dangerous you may have to talk to them &amp; ask questions &amp; you may not like the reply.
The churches could work together to tidy up your estate - see www.thenoise.org. You could give them a free Bar B-Q or post cream eggs through the doors around you. Willow Creek works because of where it is &amp; in Chicago there were several rich people to provide start up funds. They have seeker services on Sunday,several of them,but they look after their own by midweek teaching. That&#039;s why you should begin by looking at what you do, where &amp; when you meet (does it have to be 10{30&amp;6.30 on Sunday, a chapel I* know in Wales because they come from a spread farming community parents &amp; children meet on Wednesdays after school) &amp; tidying up your act. Then you can go out into the place where people are to tell them you are not archaic &amp; irrelivant, Honestly it&#039;s time well spent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Willow Creek Principles mentioned in the final program can be imported into GB, but it&#8217;s no quick fix. the church I was in began by looking at it&#8217;s services &amp; making them Seeker Friendly so if someone walks in off the street they understand what&#8217;s going on. Begin by watching Mr Bean &amp; in particular the one where he sits on the front row of an Anglican, but could be any, Church. He does not know: the 1st verse is played through before you stand up, where the repeats are, which bits are men only in well known carols, that you do not share sweets with your neighbour during the sermon. What do you do in your Church? Do you make it clear the the offering is for those who attend &amp; support the Church, that you don&#8217;t expect visitors to pay to come to church<br />
Do you encourage people to stay for tea afterwords &amp; then not speak to them. It&#8217;s so easily done with all the all the things people expect of us on a Sunday<br />
Then ask : What does our community need? How can we help provide this? Are people aware of what we do during the week? Do they know we have a Mums &amp; Tots group &#8211; is it at the best time? Does the community see us as irrelevant? This ones dangerous you may have to talk to them &amp; ask questions &amp; you may not like the reply.<br />
The churches could work together to tidy up your estate &#8211; see <a href="http://www.thenoise.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenoise.org</a>. You could give them a free Bar B-Q or post cream eggs through the doors around you. Willow Creek works because of where it is &amp; in Chicago there were several rich people to provide start up funds. They have seeker services on Sunday,several of them,but they look after their own by midweek teaching. That&#8217;s why you should begin by looking at what you do, where &amp; when you meet (does it have to be 10{30&amp;6.30 on Sunday, a chapel I* know in Wales because they come from a spread farming community parents &amp; children meet on Wednesdays after school) &amp; tidying up your act. Then you can go out into the place where people are to tell them you are not archaic &amp; irrelivant, Honestly it&#8217;s time well spent</p>
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		<title>By: Cordelia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cordelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to congratulate Channel 4 on their choice of Ms Blair/Booth for their final programme in this series.  I felt that her reputation for unvarnished greed, for willingness to associate  with those whose reputation for corruption is unchallenged, and her marriage to a man whom most consider to be a war-monger revealed  the reasons why for most of us &quot;Faith&quot; is irrelevant.  Her idea of reviving church attendance is to substitute large scale gatherings of community singers, who appear to have no coherent belief system.  I look forward to the&quot;Blair-Booth Ministry&quot; of the London Dome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to congratulate Channel 4 on their choice of Ms Blair/Booth for their final programme in this series.  I felt that her reputation for unvarnished greed, for willingness to associate  with those whose reputation for corruption is unchallenged, and her marriage to a man whom most consider to be a war-monger revealed  the reasons why for most of us &#8220;Faith&#8221; is irrelevant.  Her idea of reviving church attendance is to substitute large scale gatherings of community singers, who appear to have no coherent belief system.  I look forward to the&#8221;Blair-Booth Ministry&#8221; of the London Dome.</p>
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