What if people can’t – or won’t – pay council tax?
“The government have handed us down the dirty end of the broom handle. And we’ve just got to deal with it. ”
This is how council leader Peter Halliday describes having to administer the new council tax support scheme – and he’s a Conservative.
The government used to decide nationally who should get council tax benefit and by how much – so across the country the rules were the same.
Now, though, the job’s been handed down to local councils – alongside a 10 per cent cut in the fund to pay for it.
So Mr Halliday, who runs Tendring district council in Clacton, is now having to use the dirty end of that broom handle to decide who will be the winners and losers in his area.
He can’t ask pensioners – who make up around a third of the population – to cough up. The government says they’re exempt.
So working-age people will have to take the brunt of the cuts. And many of them are people of working age, who aren’t working.
On average, people will pay a minimum of 10 per cent of their council bill.
Jade Arnold is 18 years old and unemployed. For her, it will mean finding up to £250 a year. Just £5 a week, but she says it could tip her over the edge.
Across the country around 3 million people may well be feeling the same.
Although the whole point of transferring this power to local authorities means they are free to do as they wish, it’s clear that changes to council tax support will hit some of England’s poorest hardest (it’s a change only affecting England).
And interestingly, although there are spikes for particular groups in different areas, figures suggest it’s those out of work who will, in the main, take the hardest hit. The New Policy Institute says on average those in work will have to pay £135 a year more. Those out of work, £146 a year.
Now , if you struggle to find extra money when you’re working , quite how are you supposed to find it when you’re not?
Well, it’s hard not to pick up on the not very buried subtext here – this is not just about making cuts, it’s also part of the ongoing narrative to push/encourage (choose your preferred option) people back to work.
Take Labour-run Ealing council. If you’re unemployed there and living on jobseekers’ allowance, you’ll have to find 20 per cent of your council tax now – estimated to be about £200. But if you’re out of work for more than a year you have to pay 30 per cent.
The deputy leader of Brentwood borough council, Cllr Roger Hirst, told me it was not about “waging a war” on the unemployed. It was about “removing the disincentives to work”.
Of course, all this comes on top of the cap on benefits and working tax credits.
The big question, though, which councils privately concede they can’t answer, is: what happens if some of these people decide they can’t – or won’t – pay?
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once again the government has hit the people who already trying to survive. i am unemployed and having to claim JSA council tax and rent but still do not have any money to stay above board and live like most other people. its ok for politicians who earn vast amounts of money by claiming all them houses they need to keep up. does any real politician really know how to live on unemployment money get suck in a house each day like a prison cell because we cannot afford to go out, its not a pleasant life with no real hopes of work especially at my time of life (57) where the government always talks about how the young should be getting help to work, surely this should be for everyone of all ages. it is because of money that i had to split from my partner. i asked for money just top top up our basic living requirements and for me to place some money into the household a bit of self dignity, but now the local government has to pay for all my needs, 4 times the amount i asked for, so who is the winner, not the government. this is how stupid this country is, and you wonder why couples are couples and living apart.
Pushing back people into work ? ..gizza a job..
Pushing people back into work ? ..gizza job..
CANT PAY WONT PAY COUNCIL TAX
IF YOUR COUNCIL HAS SENT YOU A LOAD OF THOSE PAYING IN FORMS WHY DONT WE ALL POST THEM BACK TO PARLIAMENT WITH ‘CANT PAY, WONT PAY’ WRITTEN ON THEM WOULD HAVE IMPACT IF ENOUGH PEOPLE DID IT
IF YOU AGREE, SPREAD IDEA THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA
BEST , SOLIDARITY AND RESISTANCE, DAN
lets do it
Just got the bill in the mail and I couldn’t help resist screaming F THE EVIL GLOBALIST GOVERNMENT!!! (Sorry neighbors, but I’m sure you feel the same).
- The criminal factions of those who control government, the inbred psychopaths who are suppressing clean energy technology, still adding fluoride to the water when scientific studies show they are detrimental to health and IQ, while expecting us to still pay water bills, not encouraging people to grow their own food… – All these things force people to work like slaves, and while you’re working, you don’t have the time to look up these facts, and while you’re drunk on entertainment, you wont realize the internet is being censored incrementally and you wont even be able to see that these are not theories, but conspiracy REALITIES.I’VE HAD IT! I’M GOING ALL AROUND MY TOWN AND CHANTING “SEND THE COUNCIL TAX BILL BACK TO THESE CRIMINALS!”
I have no choose I will do it
As a young person trying to find work and move out, so as not to be a burden on my mothers already tight purse strings, im getting sick of the government’s cuts follpwed by the excuse “get more people into work” you cant twist peoples arms into working jobs that dont exist or are not qualified for anymore than you can make a horse drink.
Because Jade Arnold is in her teens while unemployed she will receive an astonishingly meagre £56.25 per week Jobseeker’s Allowance, money that the law says is given to her “to live on”. If she is forced to pay £5.00 per week Council Tax this means she will suffer an immediate 5/56.25 x 100 = 9% cut in money earmarked for food, drink, utility bills and sundry LIVING expenses. Jobseeker’s Allowance is inadequate as it is and was never designed to meet expenses related to taxation. The government and local councils are being astonishingly unenlightened and cruel to act in this way towards people eking out a daily existence on the margins.
The idea that the poor can be starved into non-existent jobs is ridiculous. The government’s own flagship Work Programme only managed to get 3% or less of people, on average, into six months work during its first 14 months. The economy looks as if it is heading for a triple-dip recession, something that has never happened before, while all the while politicians national and local are trying to explain their casual cruelty in charging Council Tax to people who have no ability to pay the tax by saying that their actions are all about “getting the incentives right”, “responsibility”, and “encouraging people into work” and whatnot.
You cannot get blood out of a stone. You cannot tax minorities who are barely able to nourish themselves adequately now. The government’s ambitious programme of cruelty will see them out of office. Deservedly.
Jackie,
The last time this issue arose we got the “Can’t Pay, Won’t Pay” movement against the Poll Tax (which is all the Council Tax is, renamed and dressed up in other words).
The only way that movement got some action was to organise a march in Lahndan and trash the capital. The tory Major government immediately invented “Council Tax” and hiked VAT by 2.5% to cover the difference.
Interestingly, “liberal” Michael Heseltine addressed the subsequent tory annual conference, brandished his fist in the air, and shouted, “Won’t pay, can’t vote.” Thus demonstrating his contempt for democracy…..which is standard tory policy.
This breed of tories is riddled with social ignorance and hatred for anything to do with fairness. Their hero is Gordon Gekko and Yankified thick-headedness.
You might as well get used to it because they will get worse. And won’t stop until decent people decide enough is enough and boot them over to Washington DC where they belong.
It’s also a political trap, isn’t it?
We know that there are neighbourhoods where debts are often evaded. They’re usually low income neighbourhoods red-lined by banks and hire purchase providers. Many of those locals have scarce registration as electors (they often don’t trust forms) and rely on rental & council tax benefits paid direct to landlords.
You won’t be surprised to be reminded that these neighbourhoods encompass high densities of labour voters and are often within Labour held Councils. Recall that Labour Councils were left with high levels of Poll Tax defaulters!
So, when Labour Councils have great difficulty collecting these tax debts, we may expect a repeat of the Tory claims that ‘only’ their Councils are diligent about collecting all Council Taxes due, and that ‘Labour can’t get it’. Collecting debts in some neighbourhoods costs more than the cash that’s generated. It’s grim being poor!
That’s why this change has been made. They know it will complicate matters for some of their opponents. You’ve now been warned!
Doesn’t anybody remember the Community Charge aka the Poll Tax?
If councils are stupid enough to try to extort money to help with their budgets from the very poorest of the poor, obviously, these people really will not be able to pay the monies demanded from them. This will lead to a huge number of court cases, where councils spend large amounts of money as per administrative charges, legal fees, sheriffs, bailiffs etc., in order to try to recoup relatively small amounts of money from the very hardest up and most needy of citizens. Will councils go so far as dragging the poorest men and women through the courts and end up jailing them if they cannot pay? This is what happened with the abortive Poll Tax, with councils losing more money trying to claw back charges supposedly owed to them than they actually ever received. Riots were the result.
(Incidentally, when the Poll Tax was introduced the then Conservative government added an extra amount to unemployment benefit and the like in order no to disadvantage and impoverish the jobless too much. That won’t be happening this time. In point of fact such benefits will end up cut in real terms by at least 5% over the next three years if George Osborne gets his way in respect to capping benefit uprating to 1% per annum.)
One further thing. If you reduce the unemployed and the very poorest people to subsistence level you trap them in poverty, you do not incentivise them to go into work because their poverty stymies every kind of jobseeking activity. The poor souls affected will not be able to afford stamps or stationery to apply for jobs, or to make phone calls to employers, or visit potential employers or their local Jobcentre because they won’t have a penny spare to enable them to do any of these things. Such people will literally be too poor to look for work which isn’t good for them, the area they live in, taxpayers, or the country at large.
It’s very, very sad really.
I wish I had never voted Conservative.
I live in Cornwall where the council hope to charge the unemployed 25% of their full council tax bill. Cornwall is a county full of second homes, belonging to rich people, many of which are only used for a couple of weeks a year during the summer and then kept empty for the rest of the year. Instead of robbing the poor of their benefits wouldn’t it be better to charge second home owner more council tax in in order to help fund local services? If somebody is rich enough to own a second (third or forth) home and leave it empty rather than renting it out, shouldn’t they make a bigger contribution toward council tax and helping to solve the housing crises here in the Southwest?
The people at the bottom of the pile CAN’T PAY this tax.
It’s almost like the days when King John was on the throne!
Without some sort of Robin Hood to save us.
Has the council given you a load of paying in forms for council tax (we cant afford)? Why don’t we all send them back to parliament with ‘cant pay wont pay’ written on them? will only have impact if enough people do this. Worth spreading on social media if you think it will work
As the late Mr Marley said, a hungry man is an angry man
Solidarity and resistance, Dan
There’s a simple logic to this. If you take more money off people who are unemployed, they will be forced to find work. If they fail to find work, they are obviously “shirkers”& therefore deserve to get less money. The fact that little work is available above minimum wage & often only part time & carries the consequence of a reduction in benefits MORE than the gain in income is, of course, irrelevant in this logic. And because everyone who receives benefits is, by definition, a “shirker”, the Government & their media chums (notice how silent it’s all gone on Leveson!) ensure that everyone remembers that, because cutting benefits for “shirkers” is a vote-winner (except when it’s middle class benefits like Child Credit or pensions – but voters are always to be admired for their flexibility when it comes to their own interests).
I would like to ask…. why does a single person pay 75% council tax instead of 50%!! when i compare my expenditure to a couple I am penailsed for being single that my tax is 75%!! does that bother other people too??
So Mr Hadley has chosen the losers in clacton and they are the disabled and students. I am 61 years old and my partner child is a full time student aged 18 both of us receive DLA so I received a letter stating because we get DLA we will have to pay full council tax over £1200 per year. £650 on bedroom
Philip. Not every person who is unemployed is a ‘shirker’ as you put it. Wise up you judgemental fool.
Philip didn’t say that the unemployed were “shirkers”. He said that it was implied by msm and politicians, hence the quotation marks.
Ah, again we see more rank hypocrisy of biblical proportions! The weakest, the poorest and the most vulnerable in society are paying the price for the screw ups of the rich and powerful! But under a Tory government, what’s new? We are now having enforced on us in Brtain an ECONOMIC APARTHEID, a system that allows rich people to largely avoid those bothersome taxes, takes into account some Middle class people who collude in it, and casts the rest of us, all those poor people, into poverty through being unemployed or into poverty through low-wage, dead-end jobs that most everyone else doesn’t really want to do. Oh yes, it’s easy if you’re on a high salary and live in an expensive house, with private health care and private health care for the kids, and a surplus of cash for holidays and nice things to pompously sit in judgement on the rest of us not so fortunate. What some of the these soulless and heartless people don’t realise is, is that one day we will ALL be judged for our actions on this planet. The real icing on the cake to all this unneeded ideological attack on the poor, is that millionaires are getting tax breaks! Aren’t we all gladdened by that?! I hope you all detect the irony?!
After the costly English Civil wars and later restoration of our monarchy in 1660, there was introduced what was called THE HEARTH TAX from c.1662-1689, i.e., if a home had a fireplace and a chimney it would be classified within this tax. It was to raise money for the new government and the restored monarchy (King Charles the 2nd.). However, there was wide-spread evasion over 7 to 8 years and then scrapped.
In the 1700s the government started the introduction of THE WINDOW TAX, this based on how many windows a house, factory or a warehouse etc had; and to reduce the tax people were willing to block-out light (no electric or gas lighting in those days) by bricking-up certain windows. This unpopular tax was later scrapped.
Not that long ago there was the reintroduction of the ancient Poll-Tax. This was very unpopular and unfair and from many people it was not collectable so was scrapped and replaced with the Council Tax; yet home owners then found that they had two extra bills to pay, i.e., sewage and water, yet this was included in the very good previous local taxation called “COUNCIL RATES”,!. Note: a lot of time and money was spent to track-down those who could not or would not (be it in principle or not) to pay owing Poll-Tax and if not they would be fined or imprisoned.
The question now is how long will the Bedroom Tax last? until another way of taxation is not thought out properly.
Regards,
Raymond E.O.Ella.
(RM).
Yes, I own my own house and it was a better system with the “Council Rates” and included water and sewage charges.
Now it bit of a chuckle:
What about another silly idea; people who have not only a W.C. in a bathroom but a taxation for those who also have an extra WC small-room toilet like I have down stairs. However, if you revert to an outside W.C. would you get a rebate or excluded from the tax? .
The only pleasing direct benefit I get from paying my council-tax is when I see the dustbin men come around; although they can’t be called dustbin men now, one reason being that there is little or no ash or clinkers from coal fires. Now they don’t have to carry heavy metal bins on a shoulder and today we have wheely-bins and rubbish wagons with hydraulic lifts at the back. Also, if you go away and the wheely-bin is emptied but left obstructing a pavement you may get behind your door on your return a fine.
It is more about ideology than anything else. Punishing the poor for the mistakes of the rich seems to be the order of the day – again. There will be a day of reckoning one day, and no excuses for those whose mantra always seems to be ‘we were only obeying orders’. The sheer hypocrisy of the most vulnerable being targeted for concerted cruel action, whilst millionaires get hefty tax breaks should be enough to be the curtain call for this heartless bunch we now have in power.
What amazes me is how a tory government without a majority have been able to set about dismantling the welfare state .surely every decent man and woman in the uk can see the destruction to a system to protect the most vulnerable people is something that can not be allowed to go unchecked! .what’s the alternative? vote for someone else , but who ?
the labour leader went to a tory school. the libs have proved they can not be trusted!
looks like we aint gonna win this one
We are all expected to “tighten our belts” and survive with all these cut backs with national -government and local government dismantling our much needed public services and the increasing cost of all our bills, but there are big issues that need addressing, such as the Atomic Nuclear-Armed Trident Submarines.
These are aging now and are highly-volatile in the sea and where they are moored-up. – Could these dangerous radio-active machines be functional if a “retaliating chain-reaction” time came to use them? and a captain or commanding officer (even though he/she be very loyal) would they be willing to “push the button”? and can we leave this planet from clouds going everywhere in the world with radio-active fall-out?.
These Atomic Nuclear-Armed Submarines must cost tax payers thousands if not millions of pounds each year to keep.
Now that the “cold war” and the “Iron curtain is down”, perhaps these Atomic Nuclear-Armed machines are only of a “psychological deterrent”.
Scrap them (although the USA won’t want us to if they need support in the near future?) and put the money back into building our much needed public facilities, these having a constant practical direct usage for us every day but a “psychological deterrent does not”.
Public Services: with most things “what we loose we never get back”,!.
I think it’s all wrong what has Gone wrong with this world.
If the government stop sending millions abroad then Briton wOuld not suffer as much..
So come on then show us you care about Britain
Put us first for a CHange
Although there are wars, famine, earthquake and diseases etc., resulting in many people dying,
there is still a rapid increase in the world’s population of we human beings. This means more competition for natural resources, jobs, somewhere to live with a roof over our heads,, medical treatment, land, food and many other things, including who has the most wealth. Because of over-population there are many negative sides to society, more people so more crime and an attempt If money is available to increase the capabilities of our police forces to maintain law and order. – Longer waiting lists for most things, e.g., an hospital appointment, etc.
It’s time for a new style of politics. There will never be an alternitive to capitalism in it’s truest form, but I have a dream. I believe the mark of a successful society, is it’s ability to redistribute the wealth created from the very bed rock of our society. Working People. I believe the structural foundation of a society requires every individual the right to a home. transport, child care, health care, security, a job with realistic wages, a liveable pension, and a dignified end. I do not believe the private sector can provide this.
Politics can change, but first, working people must unite.
Yes, this will get people in to work, all these lazy people just want to stay at home for free!!!!!!!!!
yes rise up rent and make them council tax like everyone else, they need to make full payment like us.
I dont see why people shouldnt pay council tax to some degree. Some of these “self employed” scroungers have been gettin away with it for far too long. Cash in hand jobs meamn others are paying their way. I live next to one1
Where I live in York its 30% for people of ‘working age’ – where the only criteria for paying council tax seems to be actually having a pulse rather than being able to earn money or work. It makes no difference if you are in hospital on a life support machine – or, if you are an unpaid carer, like I am, getting less than £2 per hour for my minimum 35 hour week. Us carers have to give up the right to work, career, maybe also relationships – all the things people take for granted, because of a commitment to caring for a loved one. But services have been cut so much already many of us aren’t getting what we are legally entitled to as it is. Respite care for example – which I haven’t been able to access for nearly a year. I complained to our Labour council’s leader James Alexander – I shall not vote Labour again after his response – which was to suggest that in this fair city, with so much tourist income (the second most visited place in England after London), that he believed it was necessary for the poorest most vulnerable citizens to pay the highest council tax rate in the land – so the city could keep its swimming pools open – more of a vote winner presumably.
Its easy to set up divisions by use of terminology such as ‘working age’, the use of which Cllr Alexander takes no responsibility for (he happily uses the terminology but blames the Conservative government who he has convinced himself he is ‘fighting’ for it), and to give the impression that those that aren’t working are a bunch of scroungers. We aren’t – some of us can’t work because we are busy saving tax payer’s billions by caring for others. I won’t be paying my council tax – at least not until I get the services that I am legally entitled to receive but not getting. I have written to explain this – but no one takes any notice and I just keep getting more demands through my letter box. Its only May though – and I don’t really want a criminal record or prison sentence – although the latter might just give me a much needed respite break!
The rich get richer the poor get poorer the MP’s get fatter
this council tax for the unemployed,struggling to pay have 3 months in prison you will get food and the cost will by around £26,000 .to the tax payer you get help with bills and lots more .
p.s i am thinking a bout it,better in side and out.
In a few years everyone will have to make thier own clothes and grow thier own food.
Just been looking at the office for national statistics, and regardless of the title “Unemployment rises by 70000″ it seems to indicate that the number is 71000 LESS than the year before with 7500 fewer people claiming benefits. Isnt that a good thing? If i have this wrong please correct me… but i am confused as i keep hearing the “incentive to work” excuse all the time.
Forgot to post link in previous post!
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/april-2013/sty-uk-unemployment-rises.html
UK National Debt – @ allmost 1.2 trillion
In 2014, taxpayers will be forking out £12.6billion a year on foreign aid
and yet we have this attack on the poorest here in the uk