The Cabinet and the ‘snooty so-and-sos’
I’m not sure whether a Cabinet Minister calling an unemployed graduate who objected to working for Poundland for free a “snooty-so-and-so” qualifies as a gaffe. That it might not, tells you a lot about Britain. Had an analogous insult been aimed at a pensioner, farmer, hard working parents etc, I’m pretty sure it would have been.
In many ways, it is rather revealing. If you peel away all the initiatives around employment and youth there is one unsaid strategy: “Youth! Lower your job expectations”.
In 2010 the government’s story about its five year plan for jobs and the Work Programme, was that far less of the jobs growth under the Coalition was to go to foreign workers, as occurred under Labour (90 per cent plus of jobs growth was accounted for by a growth in foreign born workers in employment).
The story from ministers in private: that the Coalition’s Big Stick will get indigent, slothy hoodies on estates - currently marinating on benefits - doing unfashionable jobs in discount stores, catering, sandwich-making etc that are currently done by foreign workers.
Few could argue with that, if it actually worked. But anecdotally, so far, something else seems to be happening (we don’t have the data yet). It’s more qualified graduates that are being obliged to lower their expectations, even to the point of free manual labour for multinationals, dressed up as “work experience”.
To some degree, that is the natural economic consequence of the current relative economic decline of the West. If you can’t get a job, then lower your wage expectations, is the message from conventional economics. The words of Iain Duncan Smith in his Sunday Times interview (paywall) seem to echo this:
“What a snooty so-and-so. She seemed to say she shouldn’t stack shelves because she’s intelligent. The way she sneered — as if she was too good for it,” he says.
“…It’s a human right for the taxpayer to know you’re doing something productive instead of wafting around looking for the job you want while someone else pays for it.”
In many ways we should all welcome the candour. Many, maybe even most voters would sympathise with that view generally (I’m not going to get into the specifics of the Cait Reilly case)*
But it is not consistent with the typical political clichéd messages that young people should expect a bright future and raise their heads high and aim for the stars. It is rather inconsistent with charging people tens of thousands for university education, and expecting it to be repaid by higher salaries. It’s also clear that many youth in this situation are the sons and daughters of Conservative and Liberal as well as Labour voters.
And it raises another strategic problem. What happens if more qualified young people take the government at its word and start taking all the better low-skilled jobs. What, then, for the main targets of the Work Programme’s tough love on Britain’s council estates?
Perhaps the austerity-afflicted Portuguese might offer a glimpse (HT twitter.com/ianbrumpton) into the future. The PM recently told jobless young teachers to “just emigrate” to Brazil or Angola to find jobs. With youth unemployment at a record here too, I expect to see a surge of young Brits popping up in Shanghai and Mumbai.
* forgive me for not delving into much into the details of Cait Reilly’s story, and the precise nature of Mr Duncan Smith’s criticisms. We are trying to set up a debate on the show.
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Looks like a bit of a Fact Check is called for here…
You said at the top:
“I’m not sure whether a Cabinet Minister calling an unemployed graduate who objected to working for Poundland for free a “snooty-so-and-so” qualifies as a gaffe”
You then post what he said lower down:
““What a snooty so-and-so. She seemed to say she shouldn’t stack shelves because she’s intelligent. The way she sneered — as if she was too good for it,” he says.”
Where did he say about working for free?
He may not have said anything about her working for free but that is what’s expected. If unemployed people are expected to work for their benefit, shouldn’t it be by doing something useful rather than lining the pockets of big businessmen & keeping someone out of. a rwal job?
He was referring to the case of Cait Reilly, as he linked at the bottom of his post. URL: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/15/unemployed-young-people-need-jobs
Problem with this approach is that people who’re on unpaid ‘work experience’ are also ‘not available for work’.
Which means they’re no longer eligible for Job Seeker’s Allowance’.
Maybe Lord Snooty’s coalition hope they’ll just migrate somewhere else? Which would certainly bring down our net immigration total.
But who’ll pay their fare?
@Mavis & @powderedtoastman
Fact was Faisal reported it as said when it wasn’t. Poor (biased?) reporting.
I agree these courses should not be setup as free labour and surely that’s down to the DWP to stop sending people to “courses” that do.
Obviously this has never happened before and only since the coalition took over…
I don’t want this to descend into a squabble about grammar but the only words he reports IDS as having said are in double quotes. The free is his explanation of the ‘work’ and in what way could stacking shelves be considered to be a course? Are these people getting any form of training there?
When you finish squeezing the juice out of a lemon you are left with the rind. We saw the rind last August and it will appear again. Without hope all that is left is fight. I’m 27 and was fortunate to graduate with an Bsc Honours degree and within a year get a job teaching in FE. That luck is running out as FE is squeezed and less and less young people can see the value in education. Last one out leave the key under the mat!
I can’t see how shelf-stacking in Poundland can meet the requirements for what is, via benefits, a govt. sponsored work experience scheme.
Work Experience programmes should operate both ways. The employer gets some ‘free’ help: the employee gains skills or training. Shelf stacking does not require any skills or training.
But seriously…… Can I have a work experience person to mow my lawn, do the laundry, cook and wash the dishes? Whats the difference?
This attitude is typical of many politicians who seem to be somewhat removed from reality. It is the same as the ones who keep criticising people for not going out and getting a job, do they realise that there is a real lack of jobs out there or do they sit in the ivory tower and come to the conclusion that everyone is workshy. Politicians keep wasting money on educating people in how to look for jobs instead of using the same money to stimulate creation of jobs. Most people do not need a course in job hunting, sending them on such things just manipulates numbers, give employers incentives to employ.
It’s a human right for the tax payer to know that Ministers are doing something productive for the country instead of talking rubbish based on social arrogance !
Of course if all these young graduates would have a rich father with a lot of contacts they would immediately get a well paid job but it is not the minister’s fault if all these student with a poor family don’t find a decent job !
Unfortunately, many of the young recent graduates have been led to believe that by veering a degree you will simply waft straight into a highly paid job when you feel like doing your bit for society. They have been sorely deceived and now they are finding the harsh reality is currently quite different. The brainwashing now has to be undone and replaced with a new updated reality. This is going to mean a readjustment of misguided perceptions and the acceptance of a new way of thinking. This is that the world does not owe you a well-paid living and you may have to re-shape your ambitions to fit the opportunities that are available, and yes, it might even involve stacking shelves for the time being if that’s all there is for you right now. It may not be cool, but someone has to do it day in and day out. Who knows, eventually you may get to achieve your dream of being someone who pokes about in rocks and gets paid handsomely for doing it, but don’t expect it to happen any time soon.
Alan, The people being referred to in this article are stacking shelves for free, they are being made to stack shelves for free, can you tell me the difference between this and slave labour?
If these companies require people to stack shelves then they should pay a wage like everyone else instead of exploiting the unemployed. What ‘experience’ is to be gained stacking shelves.
If graduates take the shelf stacking jobs then what are the long term unemployed and maybe less educated in society supposed to do? As pointed out in the article this initiative was set up to help them.
There are a lot of young university students/graduates out there willing to take any job just to get work. Please do not be taken in by some sections of the press who seek to demonise our youth as lazy and slothful. There is an unemployment problem ou there caused by the greed of certain sections of our society something these youngsters had nothing to do with.
On the question of “indigent, slothy hoodies”in particular: the belief that a British benefit recipient is workshy and deluded with regard to their worth to our ‘modern’ capitalist economy has become entrenched. An example consequence of this received wisdom is that lowly jobs in catering, cleaning etc. are rarely advertised in metropolitan areas anymore – positions are filled by recommendation, the friends and family of current migrant workers. If governments now want ‘their’ young benefit recipients to have a shot at stepping on to the bottom rung of paid work they need to find a way of addressing this type of phenomena, just as they need to address families finding/funding internships which bypasses graduates with less resourceful connections. More likely however, they’ll come up with a new pithy way of insulting people – thus they cover their incompetence and disdain, and derive legitimacy.
When I got out of university I ended up at a fast food joint for a while until I was hired on for my skills. Actually, I enjoyed the fast food job MORE than the supposed ‘real job’. Didn’t pay as well, but I had looked into management training and, had I gone that route, eventually would have been making good money doing what I loved. I picked the “real job”, of course, and hated it and finally quit. I don’t have regrets – the past it the past. But stocking shelves (I don’t advise ‘for free’ – that’s slave labor and I thought we had international laws against that), but even for a while IS an alternative to the dole. And, who knows, the manager might like you enough to pick YOU up for management training. And you might actually enjoy yourself.
“and yes, it might even involve stacking shelves for the time being if that’s all there is for you right now.”
For free?
Why shouldn’t Poundland have to pay if they want shelf-stackers? Why should DWP pay Poundland and then Poundland get free labour?
And for Poundland, read Tescos, Sainsbury’s, Asda – any of the other multi-million companies that are taking full advantage of this sweet, sweet deal.
The way young people are exploited is a national disgrace.
Last year a well-known charity in Manchester had a young person on an unpaid placement for five months. This is slave labour and a breach of the minimum wage legislation.
You may think “oh well it’s a charity.” But this particular organisation spends about 89% of its income on costs. Much of that going to various people who ARE paid.
Thanks for all your excellent blogs recently Faisal.
When Labour rolled out voluntary work about 10 years ago every reasonably bright individual knew that this was an appalling solution to high unemployment figures. Instead of confronting the lack of infrastructure here in the UK & legislating for mandatory production to be rolled out (across Europe, USA & the world) politicians kept their mouths shut & allowed corporations to continue to use the UK as the financial base – continuing to have the labour force somewhere in China, Pakistan, Turkey etc where the wages were low.
We are now way past the point of no return & to hear government ministers proposing the very same solutions the last Labour government did is music to my ears, personally.
The entire lobby of parliament is too far away from reality now to be of any use to us. As you stated, the Portuguese PM had only one solution to teachers unemployment – emigrate. We are, I think, only a year or two away from the same situation. It’s time to let the people decide who’s interest the government is working for: Fat cats in the city or the national population?
Only when the people are starving will change…
I wonder how many of those people thought by IDS to be ‘trapped in benefits’ are there because for one reason or another they didn’t come out of school with the skills it takes to do most jobs?
If, as I guess, it is quite a few, they might be able to get a start stacking shelves at poundland for a wage, except that the government wants graduates to do it for free.
And, of course, poundland would only want to pay minimum wage which would be less than benefits, which suggests that the minimum wage is too low.
Conservatism seems to be somewhere on the autistic spectrum in terms of its theory of mind capacity? And as for the ‘justifications’ and ‘evidence’ IDS uses on tv well, they seem to be the opposite to me.
Lets not be political here…. remember, under New Labour, the Flexible New Deal was introduced, where candidates where deposited into agencies (such as A4E and Working Links), treat with utter disdain and contempt as if they were less competent than Kindergarten Students. Of course, the staff within A4E and Working Links, despite being less qualified, competent and experienced than mere Admin Staff within Job Centre Plus, awarded themselves the baloneous job title of “Consultant”.
As part of their internment for 13 weeks, candidates had to attend “Employability Training” – where Protocol National, recruiting on behalf of A4E and Working Links made it clear that i) applicants need not be qualified teachers, ii) applicants need possess no teaching qualifications.
Although, on the one hand, the Conservatives when coming into office had the good sense to terminate the desire of inept agencies to “secure pecuniary advantage by deception”, it is a pity that, when Work Programme Contract Package Areas were awarded, some of the agencies having grown rich through the Flexible New Deal are growing even richer through the Work Programme…. and Emma Harrison has just been…