FactCheck: Why leaked A4E data suggests Work Programme isn’t working
The background
The government launched the Work Programme in June last year, calling it the biggest welfare-to-work initiative in UK history.
Is it working? With more than 2.5 million people unemployed, there’s a huge amount riding on that question.
And the government now says it wants to export the same kind of model – outsourcing the problem to contractors and paying them according to the results – to other areas including cutting reoffending rates among prisoners.
Since last summer there’s only been one statistical release, which was seized on by ministers as evidence that the Work Programme was working, but failed to pass the FactCheck test.
The first full set of performance figures was due to come out this autumn, but the Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) told us the release date is still to be confirmed. Why the delay?
Channel 4 News’s social affairs editor Jackie Long has now obtained performance figures compiled by the second biggest Work Programme provider, A4E, after the first full year. It’s not perfect but it’s the best data we have seen so far on how the flagship policy is panning out.
The analysis
The data covers June 2011 to June 2012. The five areas of England where A4E acts as the “prime contractor” – the company in charge of how the scheme operates locally – are all included, covering the east Midlands, east London, Merseyside, Cumbria, Lancashire, the Thames Valley, Hampshire, the Isle of Wight and South Yorkshire.
Figures are also included for other regions where A4E works as a smaller partner under a different prime contractor. But here the company would have less influence on how the model operates, so we’ve left them out.
Over the first full year more than 93,000 unemployed people went on to A4E’s boooks. That alone netted the company more than £41m of taxpayers’ money in “attachment fees”.
Of those people, about 3,400 people have found sustained work – crossing the three- or six-month mark that triggers more payments for A4E, depending on what category the jobseeker falls into. That’s a success rate of less than 4 per cent.
The different categories are important because the government has laid out minimum performance targets for three groups: 18-24-year-olds claiming Jobseekers’ Allowance, over-25s claiming the same benefit and the supposedly ill or disabled people getting Employment and Support Allowance who have been assessed as fit to work after all.
DWP carried out historical analysis of the numbers of people who would be expected to find jobs for themselves even if the government did nothing to help them. They settled on 5 per cent and gave Work Programme contractors a cushion of an extra half of a percentage point.
So A4E need to find long-term work for a bare minimum of 5.5 per cent of all these kinds of claimants.
As things stand, A4E is failing to hit the minimum standard with all three categories of claimant. The success rate is just over 3 per cent for 18-24-year-old jobseekers, just under 4 per cent for the older group and barely 1.5 per cent for the Employment and Support Allowance section.
If things don’t improve the firm could lose its contract with DWP, as official departmental advice makes clear:”DWP expects that providers will significantly exceed these minimum levels. However, should providers fail to reach minimum levels for any of the customer groups, it will lead to contractual action up to and including contract termination if improvements to performance are not made.”
These figures are averages for the whole of the regions where A4E is the main contractor. As you might expect, there’s quite a bit of variation between region and type of claimant.
So when in comes to 18-24-year-olds in South Yorkshire, the company is hitting 5 per cent. But look at former ESA claimants on Merseyside, and the success rate is around 1 per cent.
Opponents of the Work Programme warned from the outset that providers would concentrate on the jobseekers who were the easiest to deal with and make less of an effort with the more challenging groups of people, despite added incentives from the government to deal with the latter.
A4E’s data has so much regional detail that it’s possible to look at individual offices, some of which are having an almost negligible impact on local unemployment.
The branch in Merton, south London, for example, has found sustainable work for just eight people in the nine months for which data is available. That’s obviously a little less than one job a month. Other branches have been more successful, clearly.
In total, A4E has received £45,893,535 from DWP, most of that, as we have seen, from the initial attachment fees. The cost to the taxpayer per job outcome so far is £13,498.
On the other hand….
We ought to stress that these figures are not official. They haven’t been checked and signed off by government statisticians, and indeed we’ve spotted what look like a few arithmetical errors in them – though nothing big enough to doubt the trends discussed here.
Most importantly, it’s still very early in the life of this policy, and there will be an inevitable time-lag before we can make a final judgement on the Work Programme.
We’re in a better position than we were back in June when similar figures emerged. A government spokesman said at the time: “To try to draw conclusions when most people have not even been on the programme for six months would be ludicrous.”
We’ve passed the six-month stage for many claimants now but the point still stands that there was always going to be a slow start to this scheme, and the early months where virtually nothing happened will skew these figures.
The percentages are likely to improve over time, but it remains to be seen whether the improvement will be enough to make sure A4E hold on to their contract, let alone make a sustainable profits or put a serious dent in unemployment.
An A4E spokesman told Channel 4 News: “The DWP plans to release official statistics for all Work Programme providers later this year, and we can categorically state that the information obtained by Channel 4 News at this time is out of date, has been previously cited, and is not data we recognise.
“Furthermore this data does not give a full or accurate picture of Work Programme performance.
“The Work Programme is just 18 months into a five-year outcome-based programme. The statistical data will undergo robust validation in DWP, compiled and released in accordance with the Code of Practice for Official Statistics.
“We have always maintained it is correct and proper to share performance data for the Work Programme, on the part of all providers and across all regions, when it is the right time to do so.”
By Patrick Worrall


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when David Cameron said those who work hard will be rewarded is yet more LIES. Have always worked even with diseases and nearly died in 2010. Benefits have had have been incorrect and had no family tax credits for 2 years the list is endless total loss and of my home is 70 thousand pounds and more . Working hard nearly all my life has got me NO WHERE in the UK
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A4e is a load of bollox…beg my pardon im a loan parent of 2 children on my own…ive just got sanctioned and jsa stopped for 2 weeks as turning up at A4e office lights off and they said go away office is closed and shut down….after going back to job centre to pleed my appeal and 10 phone calls to A4e….no calls back back….takes 6 months to appeal…..no food or money for me or my two children…..pathetic
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I’m currently watching the former chair person of A4e Emma Harrison…back in 2009 I worked for a short time for Shaw Trust….I’d ask you to investigate them as well because my short time there showed a massive indifference in attitude to finding people work. The office was in total up roar, the staff were totally disinclined to help people (other than 2 I remember) and as someone who had worked in the private sector for recruitment for 10 years I was horrified at how they were using tax payers money so poorly.
Money was not well spent, my money, tax payers money.
I’m glad to see you have investigated another one of the five providers, well done. Emma Harrison clearly needs to get some answers for her £250,000 dividend!!!
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This Emma Harrison woman is an absolute disgrace. Who’s being bullied – only every person going into an a4e office who, if they can’t be placed into poundland or some other large retail recruitment contract this firm gets its hands on, gets threatened with a loss of benefit. The whole company should pack its bags and close shop.
THEY DO NOT TAILOR ANY SOLUTION TO THEIR CLIENT – MERELY BULLY AND HARASS THROUGH FEAR – AN ABSOLUTE WASTE OF TAX PAYERS MONEY.
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I have just watched the news report and i am astounded at the way she was bullied on air ! i know he had to ask questions but he did not give her chance to reply, he was a real bully and almost made her cry. I dont think it is good journalism or reporting to subject someone in that humilating way.
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Krisna I found yr attacking interview with the founder of A4 simply appalling. You knew yr verdict, never gave her space. No wonder she spoke of bullying. I hate to think you might one day take over from Johnners. Wow betide that day. To be a journalist, you have to listen : not peddle your own torpedoe ship. No more Channel Four New for me. John Skinner
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Deeply shocked by Emma Harrison’s complete lack of professionalism in tonight’s C4 interview. If she is going to refute basic facts, claiming they are false, at the VERY least she should know the supposedly ‘true’ facts/ stats that she is challenging. As a senior businessperson, to then use accusations of being personally bullied by the interviewer (who was quite rightly exasperated by her) as the let out to engaging in a factual, professional discussion, displayed how incompetent she truly is. Those poor members of the unemployed British public who have been so let down by her business – she is clearly cocooned from their lives to such an extent that she does not get the depth of the anger felt by many
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Isn’t the real story that most of these ‘back to work’ plans are just a waste of government money, and the real issue is the lack of jobs rather than applicant’s interview skills.
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Having personally experienced the mis-management and been the victim of A4e’s careless attitude to staff after being made redundant because of an executive team whim I find it appalling that Emma Harrison has the utter gall to go on national TV news and suggest that she is the victim of bullying!
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I think what she did was a massive insult of anyone who has ever been the victim of bullying.
Being asked a question you don’t want to answer is not bullying. In sporting terms, she took a dive, and those sort of false allegations should not be permitted to stand.
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Ive been with Triage(W.P in Scotland) since June 11 and can confirm they have done the square root of bugger all to help me. I can go months without an interview and when i do see them i do a jobsearch which im more than capable of doing at home.Maybe the government should be paying me their fat paycheque to look for a work.After all we are basically providing the same service.
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Hi, please take a look at our site http://www.welfaretoworkhub.co.uk. We’re looking for people who have been involved with the Work Programme to interview or guest blog, would you be able to speak to us?
Thanks!
Margi
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As a former A4e employee, I have experienced first hand how the Work Programme is delivered and can concur that staff are actively encouraged to only help customers who are likely to find work within 12 weeks. Cue hundreds ( if not thousands) of unemployed people (often with multiple barriers/learning needs) who are expected to complete in order to ‘tick boxes’. I have worked in Welfare to Work for years and have never experienced anything like A4e-terrible management, no differentiation, lack of properly trained staff and cavalier attitude towards those on programme. I still work as a Work Programme employee for another company and controversially, I still maintain that the programme isn’t the problem; more it is how the provider interprets and delivers the contract to benefit clients whilst reducing the welfare bill.
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It will be interesting to see the official figures when they come out – and the inevitable spin. (Odd how now there’s a Conservative Government the media don’t mention spin any more!) I wonder how much it will turn out in terms of cost per job which lasts for 3 or 6 months (depending on category) compared to what happened before it was handed to the private sector contractors.
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As a participant in the WP (not A4E) it is a shambles,look on any Providers website and they talk about Training,literacy,numeracy all very basic,but no proper training or qualifications.Having worked the last 33 years in the same profession(Publican) and contributed,either personally or through the Pub vast sums of tax, I feel no guilt accepting the £71 per week jobseekers(and yes I am thankful) but after 2 years and at a cost of over £7200 to the Taxpayer,let alone what it cost to administer this programme,spending 30 minutes every two weeks,at the WP,only to be told to apply for jobs ,that all though I am able to perform I do not have the right qualification,is like putting the Cart before the Horse.I could of faced a sanction, as I was asked to apply for a job that was 30 hrs per week as a cleaner,not a problem 5hrs a day,6 days a week(about $185 per week) travel time 1hour 20 minutes each way,public transport £54.80 weekly,but due to the late finish 4hr wait at the train station,which adds up to just about 12 hrs daily,If I get this position I will take it,but I wonder if Emma Harrison,Ian Duncan Smith or Chris Greyling would?
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Channel 4, I am very disappointed and will never believe your story again!!!
Well, it was interesting to see the research conducted by the Channel 4 team when again berating the management of A4e contradictory and probably immoral and illegal, was factually incorrect.
Having worked for this organisation before I have to say they are not my favorite organisation, but to see the factually incorrect and derogatory assumptions publicised on prime time TV is abhorrent.
Working within the Work Program framework, I fully understand that the “Outcome” relates to those jobseekers who have found work and remained in employment for either 3 or 6 months (A fact which in fact is at the very beginning of the new report and contradicts most salient “Facts” thereafter).
What this does not relate to is those people who have moved into work and have not yet reached the outcome stage, which 15 months into the contract could easily reach into many tens of thousands.
The manner in which Krishnan attacked a business leader in an uninformed and uneducated manner has angered both myself, my partner and our colleagues as this has highlighted the ammatueristic, sensationalist nature of…
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Do you work for A4E? Or are u a mate of hers? Or are u getting rich on the misery of the unemployed?
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It felt like there was a really interesting story here – but the interview tonight was so hostile and impossible to adjudge as a bystander that I ended up feeling sorry for the A4E chair rather than informed about the manifest failings of the company. Seems a missed opportunity.
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A4e have always been suspect. They have the worst reputation within the W2W sector, itself an area that hardly covers itself in glory! I was one of their clients in 2003. I was supposedly on a ”Media & Design” course. The course did not and never did exist. A for of fraud? Well, it was never officially recorded as such so A4e could report to the world that they offered such courses.
For Ms Harrison to claim that Ch4 News’s figures were wrong YET not having a clue as to what the ”actual” figures was laughable. In fact, it was embarrassing!
Ms Harrison claims she, her kids and A4e staff have been bullied. Whist I do not condone her children being bullied, she has to realise that a number of A4e clients have claimed bullying from A4e’s staff. I was on the receiving end of verbal bullying by a member of A4e staff myself!
Ms Harrison calls the WP the most successful back to work program ever. If so, previous systems such as the New Deal and Flexible New Deal must be a LOT worse than many suspected!!!
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i have been on the a4e work programme for almost 2 months, i have been waiting on information to do a basic food hygiene course an still waiting also loads of other stuff, ya cant even print ya cv out because the equipment is so old, its a big joke really
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At approx £13 per job it would have been better value to simply pay the people their benefits and leave them alone!
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Statistics can be misleading – we all know that it is vital to ensure that oranges are being compared with oranges …and not bananas. In the case of the Work Programme the time lag can lead to the figures being easily distorted and misunderstood. That said all of this was known and understood when the DWP produced their Minimum Performance Standards in their original Invitation to Tender and equally it should have been well understood by those organisations bidding for these (potentially) extremely lucrative contracts. The fact is that A4e (and probably all other prime providers) are performing at or below the “deadweight ” performance. A4e are failing. Other providers are also failing. The govt can’t fire all of them. Expect a bailout to their begging bowls.
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It has been evident from the off that companies such as A4E, G4S, Atos etc are money machines designed to extort as much profit as possible from the public purse, to enrich their executives while delivering desperately inadequate services. Well done Channel 4 News to expose A4E and the absurd and narcissistic Emma Harrison.
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None of this incessant hassling and bullying of unemployed people does anything to actually create jobs, does it? What on earth is the point? Governments have stood by and allowed almost all our industry to wither and die, and now they are blaming and hounding people with no jobs for being unemployed. It’s absolutely scandalous.
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Is this in any way that surprising to anyone? I would also be worried about Ingeus and the numbers of job seekers they may also be failing. From my limited experience, as one of their clients for 4 months, in my opinion they are as usefull as a wet paper bag. They do not differentiate their service to clients, who come from a wide variety of backgrounds or provide any realistic or constructive advice or guidance. Furthermore their free recruitment service for employers, from what i witnessed, did not provide any worthwhile employment opportunities. I personally have 9 years recruitment experience and the so called advice they gave me was laughable, as was being offered Pilates classes, which isn’t the best way of spending Government or EU money. All these companies are doing is duplicating the already impotent and incompetent service of Job Centre Plus
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This doesn’t surprise me !
I had an appointment booked for last October, and questioned why it wasn’t at a local office. They replied that it had been booked for the wrong office, and they would make another appointment. This took nearly 6 months to come through.
Since March, I have had appointments every 4-6 weeks. All bar one have lasted a max. of 5 minutes. They usually just ask how my job search is going, complete a form saying that I’m applying for jobs, and make another appointment. I’ve not had to show them any proof of my job searches.
I asked for IT training to update my skills. Initially they said it would be possible, then they were looking into it, and now they can’t offer what I’m looking for.
At my latest meeting, they asked for a copy of my CV, which I provided at the first meeting. Even after asking, I’m still not sure what they are supposed to be doing for me, but if they have been looking to get me back into work, I’m struggling to understand how they have been doing this (for over 6 months now) without my CV.
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I know the feeling. Was put onto oe of these “work programmes” when I changed from IB to ESA (wrag) in feb 2012. Spent months worrying about the actual appointment as have many health problems, one of which is anxiety of strangers/social disorder (partly related to the physical problems which include leaking of ilostomy). Had constant calls (which also im not comfortable with) making and cancelling appointments on their side. Then didnt hear anything until today 2nd nov 2012! Now Im being told I have a manatory group session next week. Totally went into panic until a friend finally calmed me down and pointedout that IM NOT EVEN IN THE WRAG GROUP ANYMORE_AS OF END AUG 2012!) I am still worried that somehow they might mess up my benefit and cause further problems though
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…and again this is all backwards ‘cart before the horse’ stuff. For people to get into employment there has to be the jobs for them to go into – this is a plain and simple fact that everyone from Iain Duncan Smith to his minions at the DWP and these contractors are completely blind to. They further compound the error by making the system for benefit claims ever harsher – which because it so blatantly ignores reality and the current economic climate – one can only assume is a measure to appease the less educated Tory voter.
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Spot-on but we shouldn’t blame the Tories entirely. It was Tony Blair and New Labour that started-off this rubbish in the first place. All the Tories have done is add their own special brand of viciousness. Both Tory and Labour have to recognise the fact that we have so many unemployed people because we have a rubbish economy which is clearly failing to provide enough vacancies for those who are out of work. Sufficient economic growth has to occur first and then well-designed and financied schemes put in place to guide the unemployed to the appropriate vacancies.
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I cannot understand how A4E can say it is delivering a Work Programme when in actual fact, all it really does is duplicate what happens at Jobcentre Plus but in a more condescending way!
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the work programme is a rehashed new deal..,fraud with a capital F,who do think you are kidding mr cameron…?????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Emma was right, your figures are wrong. By making calculations based on out of date data you are missing months of completed outcomes which would fall into 1st year stats. Emma cannot say what the actual performance is just as all other providers can’t. They are not contractually able to. This is right and proper as poor and incomplete analysis such as this distorts the performance and muddys the water.
When DWP release the one version of the stats in November,there will be a complete picture of year 1 to analyse. Until then it is point to try and second guess this.
Additionally, the idea that WP is performing below natural job uptake is illogical. What is being suggested is that A4es 15 minute meetings once a month, as you reported, is preventing people finding a job.
Thats quite an suggestion to make and is clearly an ill conceived comparison. This alone raises doubts about the robustness your data set.
I feel for A4e and it’s staff. Their job is tough enough without having to justify themselves and their actions to job seekers they are trying to help, as you have forced them to do.
You may shrug and say you are just reporting what’s in the public interest. It’s…
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An interesting point of view, “Ujen76″, although not one you’re prepared to put a real name to, I note. The point of all this is we are in the dark because the Government is delaying the publication of official figures, so we are having to work with what we’ve got. I and everyone else would much prefer to have up-to-date figures, but they have not been forthcoming. I’m not sure everyone would agree with you that A4E “shouldn’t have to justify themselves and their actions to jobseekers”, given that they are being paid by the taxpayer to do a job for the taxpayer, but I leave that for others to comment on.
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yes the work program and its staff should of course have to justify them selfs,
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I’m on the Work Programme just now, with JHP Training. I’ve seen them, for roughly 15 minutes, 3 times in 3 months. They ask: “how many jobs have you applied for?”, “what are you doing to find work?” and my favourite: “is there something you think we should do for you?”
Prior to that I was with Ingeus. Appointments were more frequent. They directed me to search the Yellow Pages website, for the addresses of local companies, so I could mail speculative letters asking if there were vacancies. Their adviser told me not to worry about qualifications because, after all, she had none. To the best of my knowledge, Ingeus forwarded my CV to one company, which is owned by David Murray (ask Alex Thompson).
In truth, the only help I have received is the use of a printer and a bundle of blank envelopes.
I am educated to degree level, but was unable to find a related job, so took work in customer service management. Currently unemployed due to ill-health, I’m now recovering and yearning to find a job. (I would love to retrain but how to pay for that? Yet the country is apparently short of qualified engineers…)
Do I believe the Work Programme is “worse than nothing”?…
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The reason for the poor performance is mentally ill patients and disabled people being put on ESA ATOS are failing 85% of applicants who are currently on Incapacity benefit, most of these people are not fit for work but have to join the scheme next year the same thing is happening with Disability Living Allowance claimants, obviously more disabled and mentally ill patients will add to the numbers A4E and like organisations will be paid for these people but very few will be capable of work this is just throwing tax payers money down the drain and the only beneficiary will again be private enterprises how unusual.
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I was MD of Eco-Actif Services which went into liquidation in July 2012. One of the reasons for our demise was the Work Programme which we subcontracted from A4e (indirectly with 3SC as intermediary) I have PLENTY to say about the relentless pressure to cherry pick ‘Top 10s’, We were told our advisers were ‘too good’ Huge pressure to take on unsutainable caseloads etc. As we had a moral compass, we resisted this but the results for Eco-Actif speak for themselves
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National averages showing that historically 5% found jobs anyway. So some areas would presumeably have 15% and others lower say 2% or 1% to arrive at the average of 5%.
If A4E figures are in areas where prevously that 1 or 2% found jobs anyway they might not be judged to be so bad. Not sure channel 4 has offered this or other explanations that might inform the viewer that it is not clear cut that A4E have done so disasterously bad. As presented it is almost a suggestion that people are relying on A4E and not using their own initiative as they might have done previously.
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Breaking News… this latest ‘work’ scheme does not work !
Why the surprise ? After thirty years experience of such nonsenses – one remains a scrounger !
These schemes only ever provide work – for those who ‘run’ the schemes !
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Got to love the IMO quite obvious A4E shills/stooges posting here trying to saying C4 News is wrong etc etc etc. Who sent you here Emma herself or maybe Jonty or even Andrew ?
The game is up you got found out deal with it..
@Channel4News . Other Work Program Providers to take a close look are EOS And Igneus
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Cathy/Patrick/Krishnan,
Well done with the Harrison interview. You took a chance with that kind of interview – and it did backfire occasionally – but on the whole it worked.
Harrison’s reaction spoke for itself. Anyone believing a word the woman said needs to have a word with themselves. I expected her to burst into tears of self-pity at any moment. Still, the millions she paid herself will help mop them up.
I hope you can get her in when the official figures are produced. And don’t allow her to squirm out with the usual mere sophistries and platitudes.
The core of the matter of course is the neocon legislation that promotes this kind of organised spivvery. And you can’t expect the tories to repeal something that benefits their chums and ugly mindset.
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I am on the work programme and have been since june 2011. I was also on the new deal and flexible new deal schemes. They are not much different from each other. On new deal they had to reach 40% targets. I started on new deal with nine others. Three had guaranteed jobs as taxi drivers if they passed the knowledge test that they were waiting to take so if one of the remaining seven of us managed to find employment of some kind hey presto 40% success rate.
That actually happened but but they used to manipulate figures and produce graphs to justify reaching targets. Whle I have been on the work programme they have given me information regarding some job vacancies and put my name forward for certain jobs and even though they had some say in who got interviewed I still didn’t get an interview although told that I was likely to. The work programme should be scrapped but I guess the government don’t want to lose face. Those politicians won’t lose any sleep when universal credit starts and people are left without money for food and bills.
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Having seen the interview, I don’t think the interviewer was harsh at all. I wish he was armed with statements from some former clients of a4e who would have a lot of questions. It’s good to see one of these so called training providers pulled up , instead of unemployed people all the time. They make a living off peoples misery. They are cowards. Liars and as it now seems to be the case, con merchants. They should be shut down . I wish the goverment would be.truthful over things like this , they let unemployed people down . I wish all unemployed people would realise they vote they can change things, not to get something for nothing , but training that has meaning, government schemes that actually help. Putting people first. Not the pockets of these con men / women who make peoples lives a misery, and ultimately fill job seekers with apathy, and mistrust.
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Ingeus are as useless as A4E, they ring a bell if they get someone a job (even if it’s crappy agency job for 1 or 2 days a week) and then all the advisor’s start clapping, because they know their in for a big payout from the DWP, it’s just so pathetic.
For Ingeus:- see A4E
Channel 4 please keep investigating these Private Providers – all of them (especially Ingeus) I seriously suspect you will find their all the same as A4E – BLOODY VULTURES LIVING OFF THE BACKS OF THE UNEMPLOYED.
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What did that woman actually say that answered any of the questions –nothing
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I currently work on the WP and find it really difficult to support help people given the time and resources I have available to me. We have over 100 people on our case loads and have to make effort to spend time and offer our services to each of these clients (impossible). I would say as an advisor I spent more time with clients who are job ready, this isn’t a choice really, we’re given strict targets and if we don’t hit them we’ll lose our jobs.
The main problem for me is still the lack of jobs. I work in a town, the main employment is call centres, I have 80 clients who are guys over a certain age with no IT or office/admin skills. Were do we put these guys?? Government!!! Bring the price of fuel down, stop taxing us on everything and start putting money back into our economy!! We’re no longer the super power we once though we were so stop handing other countries money £500 million to Libya, wars just to be the best friend with the USA its all a joke! Lets start looking after ourselves and bring this country back to were it should be! BOSH
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If you concentrate on clients who are job ready, this means that most could find work for themselves. So why are we spending millions on this? The ones you should be concentrating on are those like my mate, over 5 years unemployed and still no nearer finding work. A cruel farce indeed!
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This kind of programme can work, it just needs to be managed correctly by the government and not by companies who are just out to make a quick buck at the expense of the unemployed.
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Having read these comments I don’t understand what these companies do that Jobcentres didn’t. I suppose it’s just Tory ideology – private = good and public = bad. At least public sector enterprises don’t pay themselves £8 m bonuses.
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Still, this Emma Harrison is doing very nicely, thank you, with a huge mansion in the country paid for by contracts under Blair and New Labour. Now, no doubt Milliband and his Labour mates are going to whinge about a program that they were so lax in administering that if A4E only got one person in work, they hit the jackpot. And, as under Labour’s sham New Deal, those out of work the longest are forgotten. When will these phoney “training companies” finally start to earn their money?
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Interesting to see that C4 had to ANOTHER short story on A4E as last night’s expose went so well. Quotes from people who ring in ( no names ), some one who used to work for a sub sub sub or whatever supplier to A4E. No agenda there then. Balanced reporting at its best. C4 is the Daily Mail of TV.
Not sure what people think will happen when any government organises anything.
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The “sanctions Process” . This is peoples lives we are talking about here. Money to pay their bills and put food on the table. Have you tried living on bugger all money for two weeks or more? It must be such a bore having to go through the “sanctions process” My heart bleeds for you. Pig.
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I used to work on the Work Programme delivering the contract for one of the primes. It was diabolical, basically because it was a mess at every level.
The delivery model was supposedly based on changing attitudes and behaviours and essentially getting jobseekers to understand that their next job was a step onto the ladder and that, after finding work, the organisation would help them manage and develop their careers.
There were a number of problems with this model, not least the job outcome targets and other performance indicators set were unrealistically high and failure to achieve them led to “robust” discussions from the top down, ultimately leading to staff being placed on a “capability” process and constantly being fearful for their own jobs. Absence levels were high, staff turnover levels ridiculous and many staff were continually in tears. Add in a delivery model that entitled jobseekers to forthightly interventions, with individual caseloads upward of 150, and you get a sense of how meaningless the interventions that took place actually were. Not that all the jobseekers actually turned up, and then you had to go through the sanction process…and get nowhere…
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A big problem with the New Deal, which this replaced, was that it didn’t matter how few got sustained employment through the scheme. Nationally, under 20 percent did. Yet companies like A4E were paid millions for it. What I will give the Tories some credit for is tightening this “system” up. Now, to a greater extend than previously, the providers have to actually put some work into getting their bonuses and I doubt that the likes of Emma Harrison can get paid what was it? Over £7 million, for doing essentially a mediocre job.
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Not that I blame them for not turning up.
And the in work support? Good in principle, but in practice…?
If an employer gets fifty applications for a vacancy do they interview forty five long-term unemployed people who may get training paid for or subsidised in six monthss or the five with recent and relevant experience?
This programme is a mess, designed and implemented on the cheap with no thought for frontline staff implementing it and worse, those that it’s supposed to be helping. Smaller sub-contractors have already gone out of business, others will follow. It’s only a matter of time before one of the primes, or more likely the venture capitalists backing them, say “enough”. Once that happens, either the begging bowls will come out or there will be a run all doing the same thing.
In two years attachment fees reduce to nothing but I doubt the wait will be that long.
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Such a shame that Emma Harrison hasn’t used some of her banked millions to get some media training.
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As someone involved in the Welfare to Work industry I can confirm the whole thing is an ill conceived shambles. The list of problems with the scheme are endless. My main concern is that NON of the programme providers either help, or find people jobs. Each work programme consultant has 100′s of clients on their books. Minumum service levels demand that those clients are seen on a regular basis, therefore the whole programme is a gigantic exercise in ticking and turning. Inevitably some of the clients get jobs, mostly off of their own backs, and then the providers claim this as an outcome. Should the client stay in work for a period of two years then the work programme provider can claim £1,0000′s from the tax payer, even if they did not help the job seeker into work, and in most cases they do not. It’s all very well for a company like A4E to claim 3,400 people went into work, my guess is that 90% of that 3,400 would have got a job even had they not been attached to the programme. The Work Programme providers claim they help peple stay in work and therefore should be rewarded. They do no such thing. Contractually they should phone the employee once a month, which they…
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I will add, following my experience with Ingeus as a welfare to work provider, that there is no strategical or tailored approach to finding their clients an opportunity.
As of the present, I have received ONE invitation for interview from the 30 speculative letters they have mandated me to send (this is because they have an arbitrary belief that 70% of job vacancies are not advertised).
I have had far more success using my current jobseeking methods of agencies and using job sites and apps.
I will later today be referred onto their ‘boost’ initiative, whatever that is. It is apparently due to my job-readiness (which I suspect is merely a euphemism for “x-amount of time has passed”) but, I should be aware, my readiness is solely dependent on attending an interview skills workshop.
I am less than optimistic given that in an ‘effective jobseeking’ workshop, the attendees were instructed to read more obituaries as ‘those who die may leave jobs behind and you can fill that vacancy if you know the details.’
I was also told, given my very clear feedback of the failings of the content of this workshop, as well as my interest and recollection of the current figures and…
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I’m at Ingeus and when they asked me if I wanted to attend the workshops, I just told them no-way because I have attended them in the past when on New Deal and to be honest, all you need is common sense and you could blow their workshops out of the water – there that useless.
—- CLOSE DOWN THE WORK PROGRAMME —- CLOSE DOWN ALL THE PRIVATE PROVIDERS —-
—- THEIR ALL BLOODY USELESS —-
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Doesn’t it seem like all a4e schemes need to be investigated? Iam interested in this item a lot. Does anyone know if channel four will investigate this further, nationally?? Iam a carer and would like to get a part time job . I asked on the job centre about the regulations about carers going back into work. I was actually told they couldn’t help me. I couldn’t belive it. Luckily I checked it out at my local care centre. They couldn’t belive it either. Whatever government has been in power they mess up employment, schools, healthcare, policing , fire services. Doesn’t matter if their labour , cons , libdems. No doubt it will be the same the next lot who come in. Iam afraid I have caught the national bug called voter apathy.
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Why doesn’t anyone want to help the unemployed? All the schemes are a benefit for those who are supposed th help, not those unemployed people who have the mis fortune of attending their courses. I think unemployed people should have some sort of union. So the powers that be will be forced to act against these con men. I also wish the press would stop knocking the unemployed, its a very conservative way of reporting. Not all unemployed people are lazy. It’s simple jobs equals employment.The politicians should stop blaming each other, stop being crooked. And help people . The torys are punishing the wrong ones, bank and companys who skim the tax should be the real targets.
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As a participant in several of these back to work programmes my feelings are that most of them are just a sheer waste of taxpayers money.
Was with Juniper for one scheme and they never even asked me to bring in a C.V.. Each time I went we sat in stuffy rooms with staff actually reading out that days job offers, all of which could have been viewed online at anytime. Most were agency related and not once did they ever actually offer “decent paying jobs”,
I eventually finished my “prison” sentence with them and was told one day they had been shut down, (hurray was my reply). Sometime later I had to go on another of these back 2 work schemes with i2i and was shocked to see that the vast majority of the staff were the very same people I had seen at Juniper. Needless to say my time there was nothing less than boring and unproductive.
Currently on the WP and I am trying to become self employed using the skills I have. The BES service I am with are trying really hard to give me all the support and help I need. The way it is progressing is great and I think I will be one of the few that eventually gets out of the benefits system.
What really upsets me is that I tried to join…
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Carry on from above due to character limit
What really upsets me is that I tried to join the test trading scheme which would have seen me off the benefits system but on the day I was to meet my adviser she was ill and my appointment rescheduled. When we finally meet I was told it was now to late and I couldn’t even appeal against it.
Si I am in the situation I am because someone else was ill…
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The work program is a load of old ***** and I should know I have been forced on it and it’s absolutely useless.
They don’t tell you anything anyone with an inch of brain matter doesn’t already know, the advisors are very pushy (borderline argumentative) and frankly it’s a headache I could do without.
****ing ****** conservative party I bet even Hitler would not be so bad this ****** scheme needs to go (and so does government ****ing fascists) treat people like people just because where unemployed presently doesn’t mean we need degrading on some stupid scheme that even a nursery teacher would label patronising
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My friend has just joined a scheme. They sent him on a computers for beginners. When he repairs and is qualified on computers. When he questioned it, they threatened him to sanction his money. He is dislexic ,and they have no don’t know.how to deal with it. They are having to see management because they simply can’t cater for him. Where does this leave him.? He is deppressed , frustrated. When he went job centre they told him to basically get on with it. The people who run these schemes are the scum of the earth. They treat people like crap, and get away with it. If these schemes were differant they would be doing a valuable service and be respected. Why isn’t anyone doing something about these schemes?????
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As an A4e victim for the last 18 months living in a small market town which is dying.My monthly review is always the same..adviser asks me about there courses run by Taylor Itex..I reply..Are they accredited..she changes the subject..adviser asks me about jobs i have applied for ..i reply..35 jobs in 30 days…adviser says GOOD….I reply..15 of them are for fortlift drivers..I have 10 years experience but no licence..will you send me on accredited course to attain said licence..she changes the subject to…have you signed on with any agencies ..i reply..they wont let me because when i refuse to give them my bank details until i start work(as advised on the Directgov website)they dont keep my details..Adviser …OH..Am 49 i HAD been in continuous employment until made redundant, than she has been alive..there is no privacy during this procedure..So i complain to my adviser she says to complain to her faceless management..I email my complaint but like spec applications i assume it will go into the spam box and binned at end of the working day.. I WANT A REAL JOB WITH A LIVING WAGE..NOT POOR PAY AND TAX CREDITS when I, if I, ever work AGAIN..WILLING TO RETRAIN RE LOCATE
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I would also like to add my A4e advisor was annoyed when i had not applied for a job that was advertised in my weekly local paper..Its a job ad that has been in the paper every week for months..I explained this..she snapped ..YOU DONT NEED ANY QUALIFACATIONS..i replied…THEN WHY HAVE:NT YOU PUT MY CV FORWARD FOR THE 3 LOCAL VACCANCIES THAT A4E HAVE ON TOTALJOBS.COM WEBSITE..The silence was broken by the laughter of the other unemployed on computers looking for work..Like i posted above i want a real job…BUT I WOULD NEVER GO TO THE DARK SIDE..EVEN ALTHOUGH THE FORCE IS STRONG AFTER 4 YEARS OF JSA…When am in a good frame of mind i will post on A4e TRAINERS and the lies they tell.Its funny.As long as ur not depressed or special needs or insecure..But am sure it will be ok cos my trainer CARES
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It is very interesting to read what a4e hasn’t/isn’t doing for the unemployed. Why isn’t there any accountability? Why isn’t anyone doing something about it? I will say it again stop knocking the unemployed, go after the banks, go after the companys who avoid tax. Get more tax from the gas, electric, water. And will the media please stop knocking the unemployed. At least balance it out . And all the figures for unemployed are a con . If the figures were done right it would stop this government in its tracks.
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I posted on here, on 24th Oct.
Today, I had my appointment – 7 weeks after my last.
I informed the receptionist who I had an appointment with. I sat in their waiting area. I couldn’t remember who I’d last seen, as I’ve now seen 4 different people over 5 appointments.
30 minutes passed, and every ‘advisor’ had seen at least one person whilst I’d been waiting.
I asked to be shown my ‘advisor’, and asked her why I’d been ignored. She apparently hadn’t realised I’d been waiting. I was seated in easy view.
She would see me, once she’d finished with the person who’d just sat at her desk. I told her that I’d been ignored for 30 minutes and had to leave.
She apologised and would contact me to make another appointment. I’ve checked my email, and no new appointment, let alone an apology.
If I had been a business client, they would have lost a contract. I suppose that’s the difference between them being paid for doing nothing, as opposed to actually having to ‘earn’ a living. I’d rather not waste any more time with them, so hope they forget about me.
They’ve still not got my CV, so WHAT have they been doing for 8 months?
Rude, abysmal,…
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Govermant schemes arent working. No suprise there. Neither are the job centres. This shows the torys are useless. How much has this cost is my question. And who benefited most.
Iam afraid its these con merchants who have benefited. Feeding off peoples misery. It makes me sick. The minister responsible I.D.S. should resign . He has let unemployed people down , and bought misery to many. Condems out.
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Well I just had my 1st experience of A4e. I had an appointment Monday. Whilst I was there my gloves were stolen (1st day of snow this year). They have CCTV all over the place, but I’ve been told the only person who can access it is away & they dont know when they will be back.
A whole bunch of appointments were arranged, & when I double checked with the advisor, when is the 1st one, I was told a week on Wednesday (9 days time). I have just found out it wasnt a week on Wednesday but in fact this 1st Wednesday & I missed it. OK I didnt look at the paperwork, but I was told it is in 9 days time when in fact it was in 2 days time.
This means I will be sanctioned, the advisor got it wrong (so did I for not checking), but I will be deemed to be at fault.
So no money for 4 weeks. No food for 4 weeks. No electric for 4 weeks. No heating for 4 weeks. No medicine for 4 weeks. I wont be able to pay my rent as £25 per week of my rent has to come out of my JSA, so possible eviction.
I wont be able to pay my phone bill or my internet bill, these companies will fine me for not paying (£40 each & they will cut me off). I wont be able to stop the direct debits in time, I wont be able to…
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HOW ABOUT THIS, WHEN I DID GET TO SEE AN ADVISOR, I WAS IN THERE A MAXIMUM OF 10 MINUTES, AFTER DRAGGING ME INTO THEIR OFFICES ON 4 OR 5 DIFFERENT OCCASIONS, I WAS TOLD ‘SORRY, NO ONE HERE TO SEE YOU’. WHEN IT COMES TO FARES, DESPITE BEING PROMISED THAT FARES WILL BE REIMBURSED, BEFORE THE BUS FARES RISE, IT IS A £5.60 ROUND TRIP, YET A4E CLAIMS IT DOES NOT PAY ANYMORE THAN £4.20, I’VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT BEFORE.
TO CAP IT ALL OFF, ON ONE OCCASION, I COULD NOT GET MY FARES REIMBURSED BECAUSE ‘NOT ENOUGH SPARE CASH’, THAT I WOULD HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT TIME.
IN AUGUST AN APPOINTMENT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN MADE FOR ME AT A4E, I SPEAK TO AN ADVISOR ON THE PHONE AFTER THE SUPPOSED APPOINTMENT, NO MENTION OF AN APPOINTMENT BEING MISSED, IT WAS MERELY AN ‘UPDATE’ CALL.
I THOUGHT NO MORE ABOUT IT UNTIL OUT OF THE BLUE I GET A LETTER FROM MY JOBCENTRE ASKING ME TO EXPLAIN WHY I HAD NOT KEPT AN APPOINTMENT AT A4E.
THE REASON IS SIMPLE, I KNEW NOTHING AT ALL ABOUT IT.
MY JOBCENTRE DECIDED THAT I HAD NOT PROVIDED A GOOD ENOUGH REASON, SO SLAPPED ME WITH A 2 WEEK SANCTION!, I’M SURPRISED THEY BELIEVE ANYTHING A4E SAYS!.
NEEDLESS TO SAY, I HAVE APPEALED, AS I AM IN THE…
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Considering A4E made such a bad job of looking after the Olympics, I wonder why they’ve now been given a contract to run the Prison Service.
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Hi
It was G4S who had the contract for the Olympics and not A4E.
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a4e are total s¿¡t. the staff have bad narrow minded attitudes and in my case my adviser was a racist, sexist, homophobe. im white, straight and ,male to clear things up. after complaining about the comments the said adviser made i was asked to attend a meeting with a4e about my allogations and was told in no uncertain terms that nothing could be done. they ring u constantly, arrange job search session where you have to find 6 jobs in 3hrs. today i was asked by the job centre how my interview with a software company that a4e made for me went. i was Fin outraged and told the no jobs centr that the said interview was arranged for me by my friend an employee of the software company not a4e. So not only are their staff biggoted but they pass jobs i found myself as jobs they have found me. and to top it off have been on the WP 18Months and they are that desperate for results they are trying to force me to work for kfc not taking into account my skills or qualification. they just dont care about the unemployed. if we all found jobs they would be out of 1. meet the new boss, same a the old boss.
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A year in, and have nearly finished an Employability Skills course. Done similar with another provider. Took basic Maths and English tests, even though I have exams in both. I receive a certificate to say I’ve passed. I won’t be including this on a CV, so will bin it.
Had to update my CV, which had been ‘updated’ by previous provider, and I deleted even more to conform to their layout and fit the max. 2-pg. I won’t ever use this CV as I change mine for each job I apply for Their version is so basic I’d be embarrassed to send it out.
DO NOT give them your tel. number (unless you want to). If they insist, get a free SIM and give them that No. I’ve done that, and told them never to contact me on it as the mobile is never on. They can’t make you answer their calls.
I have to visit 2 hours weekly to do job searches, although I’ve told them I will NEVER put any of my personal info on their unsecured PCs. Last time, only 2 of 6 PCs were working and when hearing people had been waiting over and hour to use them, I walked out, telling them I had ALL the facilities to do a job search at home.
After a year, my advisor still hasn’t got my CV, so I’ve no idea what…
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I am 22 and in my final year at university. I have Asperger syndrome, ADHD and OCD. I recently attended an appointment at A4e. My mum who is also my carer came along for support. I was given paperwork to read through and found I couldn’t understand it because it was dishonest and too generic. The A4e representative then told me to sign the paperwork – I said I couldn’t because it was false. I was becoming quite distressed and upset and my mum tried to explain to the A4e representative why it would be inappropriate to sign this paperwork. The A4e representative said we did not have a choice. “Sign it or lose benefits” was the summation.
I have been given a week with the intention of signing at the end of that week but nothing has changed. How am I going to sign the papework? What will I do when the week is up? My mum is trying to get an appointment with our (Conservative) MP who does not seem to want to meet her. Wonder how many vulnerable people have signed this paperwork to make A4e resemble a working system? I’m sure the number doesn’t bear thinking about.
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Jojo, replying without knowing anything about your ‘conditions’, so apologies if my suggestions are useless.
Why do you say the paperwork is false ?
When I started, I was given the paperwork, and refused to sign one piece as it clearly stated it was optional.
Another one (their terms and conditions if I remember correctly) I crossed through and initialled parts I wasn’t happy with. I think this was to do with their Data Protection and what they were allowed to do with my details which I wasn’t happy with.
When questioned, I told them I’d only sign the terms if I was happy with the content, which I now was after amending.
I didn’t want them contacting any future employer where they’d had done nothing to get me the job, then claim it was their success. I had a feeling by this time that they’d not be doing much, and have been proved right.
Could you not just ‘sign’ the paperwork with a squiggle that doesn’t resemble your signature ?
If not, explain to them in detail the parts you’re not happy with and see what they say.
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Hello
I have received a letter today from A4e and it says that I have an appointment on the 3rd of May. The problem is that the 3rd of May was yesterday. The letter was dispatched yesterday and arrived today, so I had no hope of attending the appointment, which is mandatory and if I do not attend my benefits could be affected; how can I attend an appointment when the letter arrives the day after I am supposed to attend? This is just a thoughtless way to treat vulnerable people and people with disabilities.
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I ended my JSA claim in April and Ingeus UK continue to send me appointments and try to contact me constantly. Granted I didn’t tell them where I secured work, but that’s because they didn’t contribute to me getting the job.
I’ve never sent an employer their ‘improved’ version of my C.V, I never asked them for help with the cost of clothes, I’ve never relied on their facilities or workshops.
I found work because, for once, I managed to beat the unfavourable odds of the labour market and secure an interview. I fit the employer’s needs really well and they hired me there and then.
No Work Programme support needed, wanted or provided.
Now I just need to write to them to tell them to leave me and my household alone.
Since the 26th of April, (when I ended my JSA claim) Ingeus have raised benefit fraud doubts, sent me three appointments, called my house and mobile over a dozen times and attempted to coerce information about my work from whoever answered at home.
I find them abhorrent and hope that their failures continued into the second year of operation and that this pointless, contemptible exercise comes to an early close.
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I was made to go to Acorn which was pointless and obvious that they could not help me back to work. All the stuff they were telling me was obvious and I was doing already. The only work they had was very low income and that as scarce. I found work in sept 2011 and have had secured other contract work since, however I am being bombarded with emails and phone calls for me to update them as to what I am doing. At first I just thought it was them being nosy and maybe they had some job opportunities. To my astonishment I am part of some govt get back to work programme that lasts for 2 years. I have been sent forms to sign asking for work details and staff nos and for me to sign some declaration letting them contact my future employers. No has told me why and what business it is to them. I called the jobcentre and and they were useless, they did not have much idea buts said all I have to divulge is who I am working for. I am not going to sign these forms because its none of there business and they did not get me the jobs. Far from it
Can anyone elaborate or give any information as to why I need to update and the repercussions if I don’t sign?
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Miguel,
Do not sign the forms. These are the ones I refused to sign when I first started. It is NOT compulsory to sign them. I also crossed out sections on some of their other forms that I didn’t want to sign. They were not pleased, but I explained a contract between me and them HAD to be agreeable by both sides.
Also, you and many others have mentioned about being pestered by phone. This is why you should NEVER give them your phone number. If they insist on a contact number get a free mobile Sim and give them that number but also warn them NOT to contact you on it as you don’t use your mobile.
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@ Miguel the only reason they’re pestering you now is so they can claim to have found you your jobs and thus claim their ‘bounty’ from the DWP. Before these companies were found out to be committing fraud on a mass scale they would have simply forged your signature. Now they’re having to put some work into trying to get the money they really don’t deserve. Under no circumstances tell them anything – keep on ignoring them. There will be no repercussions.
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