FactCheck Q&A: Does the monarchy pay for itself?
FactCheck will be happily raising a glass to the Queen this weekend, if only because we’re getting an extra day off work this year thanks to Her Maj.
But we wouldn’t be worthy of the name if we didn’t put the royal family under a little bit of gentle scrutiny.
Republicans are pointing out that celebrating the jubilee could cost the country billions – but royalists claim the Windsors pay for themselves.
Do the numbers really add up?
How much does the monarchy cost the nation?
The official cost to the taxpayer in 2011 was £32.1m, comprising the Civil List and grants from government departments covering the cost of travel, communications and the like.
That cost fell from £33.9m in 2010, and is down 19 per cent over the last five years in real terms. But republicans say the real cost is much more, as we shall see.
The various different state funding streams will be replaced with one simpler – and smaller – Sovereign Grant of £31m from next year, and after that the grant will be calculated as a percentage of income received from the Crown Estate.
The what now?
The Crown Estate comprises some of the land that was historically the private property of the monarch, including the Windsor estate, various prime locations in central London and almost all of the UK’s seabed.
In 1760 George III began a tradition of surrendering income from the estate to the Treasury in exchange for the Civil List payment. At the time that was a good deal for George, as he had been paying the salaries of judges, ambassadors and civil servants from Crown Estate money and was struggling to make ends meet.
Now the arrangement looks like a bargain for the taxpayer. The Crown Estates brought in £230.9m to the Treasury last year and Queen only received £32.1m from the state, so on the face of it there’s a huge net gain for the taxpayer. That’s one reason why monarchists claim that the royal family pays for itself.
But the deal only looks good if you ignore the fact that parliament took over responsibility for paying for civil government from the king in 1760 as part of the deal.
In other words, if we decided the current arrangements were bad for the taxpayer and we wanted to turn the clock back to 1759, we would lose all that money from the Crown Estate. But in all fairness we ought to expect the Queen to start shelling out for half the cost of running the government.
Anti-monarchists like the pressure group Republic completely reject the Crown Estate argument by claiming that it is in effect already the property of the nation, so we shouldn’t see it as a benefit conferred by the monarchy.
If the monarchy was abolished tomorrow the income would stay in the hands of the Treasury, and the annual ritual of the Queen “surrendering” the money to parliament is nothing more than a formality, according to republicans.
In fact, the ownership of the Crown Estate is so obscure that it’s not that easy to say what would happen if we suddenly decided to scrap the monarchy.
It’s run like a business but there’s no shareholders. All profits go to the Treasury, but it’s not a government body. The land is owned by the monarchy but it’s not the private property of the Queen. Got that?
There’s no legal instrument guaranteeing that future revenue would pass to the state, although the trustees of the estate are ultimately subject to the will of parliament so presumably the Treasury would win out.
Is the real cost of the monarchy much higher?
Republic have published an alternative royal budget which puts the real annual cost to the taxpayer at £200m – more than five times the figure acknowledged by Buck House.
The group says we ought to include other small grants from government, the money spent by local councils on accommodating royal visits, the cost of security, and lost revenue from the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall.
Republic puts the cost to local authorities at £26m. That’s based on the spend published by one council (Romsey) in 2007 multiplied by the 444 royal engagements that took place across the country that year.
The cost of royal protection officers etc is impossible to calculate, as government won’t respond to freedom of information requests on the subject of security. Republic cites sources quoted in newspaper reports and estimates the cost at £100m.
Dai Davies, the former head of Scotland Yard’s royal protection squad, put the cost of protecting Prince Andrew alone at around £1m a year, so it’s safe to assume the cost for the whole family comes in at tens of millions.
Conceptually, it’s more difficult to see why revenue from the duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall – private estates owned by the Queen and the Prince Charles – has to be included in this list.
Although republicans may feel that the monarch and the Prince of Wales don’t deserve the income from these estates, the fact is that, unlike the Crown Estates, they own them.
There’s some controversy over the law of bona vacantia, which says that the estates of duchy residents who die without leaving a will pass to the Queen or Charles. Republic describe that as “nice little earner” for the royals – and a tax-free one.
Are the real benefits much higher?
The consultancy Brand Finance has done what it says is the first corporate-style valuation of the Windsor “brand”.
Essentially, it accepts the points made by Republic and includes the cost of security (estimated at £101m) and income from the duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster. It also includes the government’s estimate of the cost to the economy of this year’s extra jubilee bank holiday (£1.2bn).
Weighed against that is the supposed added value the royals provide to UK plc, mainly by encouraging tourism, although the report also explores the intriguing question of how much royal warrants – those little coats-of-arms printed on tins of Lyle’s Golden Syrup and the like – boost trade.
Brand Finance says the net value of the monarchy is £44bn, although the methodology that underpins this is obscure and most of the numbers are open to debate.
Do the royals pay their taxes?
The Queen famously volunteered to start paying income tax and capital gains tax in 1992. That’s on her personal income, which includes the Balmoral and Sandringham estates but doesn’t include the Crown Estate or royal palaces.
Prince Charles is also a top-rate income taxpayer, with most of his private income coming from the Duchy of Cornwall and its various businesses.
Buckingham Palace is a band H property, but because Westminster City Council charges less in council tax than most of its neighbours, the Queen only pays £1,369 – less than many middle-class homeowners in other parts of the capital.
Then again, she didn’t have to volunteer to pay that either, so perhaps we shouldn’t carp too much. Cheers!
By Patrick Worrall


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All very interesting but it doesn’t actually answer the question!
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Cathy and Patrick,
No, the monarchy doesn’t pay for itself.
We do.
As for the Windsors, they don’t pay taxes in Australia either. But that didn’t stop Liz Windsor signing the document that enabled undemocratic removal of Gough Whitlam – just one small example of why the Windsors should be booted into obscurity.
And they can take their stupid uniforms and 19th century Come Dancing outfits with them. Leeches and wasters the lot of them.
You asked
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They don’t get paid by the Australians either so the post about taxes is useless
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The Duchy of Cornwall is not a ‘private estate’ and is not owned by Charles. It is a constitutional arrangement which enshrines a number of particular powers and functions distinguishing Cornwall from England. When last investigated (1975, following a question in Parliament from Dafydd Wigley) it was confirmed that those distinct powers and functions are still on the statute book. How many private estates can claim immunity from FOI inquiries. How many private estates are immune from questions by MPs in the Commons? The most recent attempt by the Duchy of Cornwall to argue its status as a private estate (Burton v. Duchy) was dismissed by the presiding judge. More facts. More checking.
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You are missing one important fact about the monarchy – it is undemocratic.
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Which country has the bigger tourist industry – UK or France? France, by some distance. So how do royalists work out that the royal family “helps” the UK tourist industry? If we took the French solution to monarchy, who is to say we wouldn’t end up with even more tourism?
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A perfect argument as the only difference between Great Britain and France impacting tourism is the monarchy …. By the same logic Ibiza makes more from tourism than the Falklands. Therefore the Falklands should open some top end dance music venues and see their fortunes improved. Genius.
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Oh ye because it is not like France is on the mainland and so is more accessible, has mountains for skiing, and Mediterranean beaches unlike the UK…
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France is a lot larger, which may be one contributing factor as to why it has a larger tourist industry. France also has much better weather than the UK, which could also contribute to why it has a much larger tourist industry. The economy (and varying industries within it) is so highly interlinked with so many factors; to talk about whether or not the monarchy has an effect on the tourism industry in respect to another country is irrelevant. People don’t avoid the UK because it has a Royal Family nor do they go to France because it doesn’t have one. The FACT is that the Royal Family DOES bring in a lot of tourists. That’s how so-called “royalists” work out that the Royal Family help the UK tourist industry.
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Great point about France. I’d agree, but unfortunately we don’t have their weather, cuisine or wine!
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If we abolished the Monarchy, ruling this country would be up for grabs and some monster like Rupert Murdoch would probably get the post !!
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Rupert Murdoch would only get the job if the people of the UK voted for him. If the people object/reject him him then he doesn’t. That’s democracy. At present we have whoever happens to be born into the Windsor family. Undemocratic. Whether the monarchy pays for itself is not the point. In a republic we would still have the crown estates without having to pay the crown. Plus what does hereditary privilege teach our children?
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Validating the summary cost to the public, and the constitutional detail are worthy objectives, however I cannot fathom the ignorance of those that would trade the internationally recognized (& respected): vein of history, national identity, international brand equity, employer, charitable effort, …. of our Monarchy; for what? a small saving in comparison to so many other ill-concieved drains on our national coffers, (come on folks we have a GDP of around 2.2 Trillion!), and the risk of an increasingly un-British future with reduced international identity, increasingly confused national identity, and yes this does matter, we have to pull together and return basic standards if we want the country to become great again (if you don’t, please could find another home).
Be careful what you wish for… the British public would likely not notice the financial benefit, but almost certainly mourn the loss after a short time.
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I am a republican but just think if we got el presidenta TONY BLAIR to rule
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Only if we voted for him. If a majority voted for him – or anyone else – that would be a democratic decision as opposed to whoever is next in line in the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Battenberg family
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Philip: when have politicians ever done what the public have asked for with no regard for their own personal gain? The Monarchy have died for their country in battle, the majority of politicians have sat in an office and sent their people to do their dirty work.
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Simple solution for the Crown Estates – Nationalise !
No, seriously… pass an act of Parliament, then revue the landholdings. Only the most treasured of such – Windsor Castle/Park and such like – would remain in state (English Heritage and Celtic equivalents) hands. The rest – mostly countryside – sell off and put the money to public use.
The Windsor ‘dynasty’ will still enjoy their own private estates – Balmoral, Highgrove, Sandringham… as indeed us plebs do (well, Sandringham anyway) at their ‘behest’ !
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Robert, the Monarchy is purely a figure head for the Crown Estates with even less control than they do over the Political landscape. ALL profit from the crown Estates goes to the Treasury so in kind it already is Nationalised)
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I find it rather annoying that all the pro-republic types forget two rather key things that the Queen does for us:
1. She spends hours every day keeping herself up to date on the current state of her country and the world. This enables her to advise her PM (with whom she meets frequently) from a position of knowledge, and provide a longer view rather than the myopic 4 year vision of the elected government.
2. If we did not have the Queen as head of state we would probably have a President, and the additional cost of this always seems to be forgotten when bashing the monarchy.
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No-one assumes a President would becost-free – but we don’t need the expensive ceremonial, the large court(s) or the extended Royal Family all of which are vcosts we wouldn’t need if we had a president
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Republic say they want an elected head of state with certain constitutional powers (I assume something along the lines of Ireland). Have the calculations above factored in the cost of security, elections, office costs etc. for this president. Please make sure you are comparing like with like.
And seriously – working out how much it costs local councils for any royal visits. How petty can one get. How about factoring in the education time that the school kids lose when they are out waving their flags.
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Question; if Germany had been made a constitutional monarchy after the First World War, would Hitler have been able to rampage across Europe as he did?
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We got the family that should have been ruling germany to come over here and rule over us instead
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I don’t know why we have to have a monarchy or a Predident? Are those really the choices. We have a Government. Surely that is enough.
In this, the 21st Century, I find it quite amazing the level of support for a bunch of rich toffs who have their toothpaste put on their toothbrushes for them every night! Are we really such peasents and forlock tugging a nation? This weekend has rather depressed me.
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Can’t believe I pay more in Council Tax than the Queen! I live in a very modest house in Edinburgh – she should hang her head in shame and so should people who support this kind of thing.
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That’s per month……
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Not a great fan of the monarchy but dread to think of the alternative. Rupert Murdoch or a member of the Bullington club ?
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In a democracy there would be nothing to stop a Windsor standing for election as either a party or an independent candidate. If they are as popular as Royalists claim, he or she should win with a massive majority.
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For those that suggest the monarchy is good for tourism, I have a solution.
We can keep the Queen and her close family, e.g. sons, daughters, grand children; but we should get rid of all the lords, ladys, dukes, duchesses, etc. They cost far too much money to the taxpayer. For example the Duke of Westminster gets an income from the government just because he owns the most land in the country!
So give the royal family a couple of houses and get rid of all the hangers-on! Just like they have done in other countries e.g. Norway, Sweden.
Personally I don’t believe the monarchy brings in that much tourism, and if we got rid of the whole lot of them we could still generate tourism income by opening Buckingham Palace to the public, just to show the level of oppulence these people lived in at the taxpayers expense.
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As SUCH a super wealthy woman its a pity she hasn’t stepped in to solve the National Debt to spare her ‘loyal subjects’ all this pain! I am fairly neutral about the monarchy, but feel that true transparency of ‘the books’ would help to quieten severe critics – but perhaps that is why so much appears to be hidden from the public eye??
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useless article. doesn’t answer the question!
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The fact is, that foreign tourists are fascinated with our still existing, living monarchy. The royal family travels all over the world keeping this fascination alive. They’re estimated to bring in £500M a year in tourist revenue alone. As long as they only cost us less than £200M a year including all their security, then why don’t we just leave things as they are? It is part of our history and heritage after all. Other countries like Canada seem to pay to be part of it, yet we seem to want to flush it down the toilet. It would just be one more step closer to us losing all links with our past.
A president would probably cost just as much (look at America, where the president’s travel budget is more than the royal family’s entire annual grant), and no foreign tourists would come to this country because we have a president. Who doesn’t have a president?
To abolish the monarchy seems like the bad idea of a minority who are jealous of anyone who lives a more privaledged life than them. I’ve never had a penny to my name, but I can still recognise that some people will always be born into privaledge whether we have a monarchy or not. That’s even true in…
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To M K. Your comparison of the Monarchy to the US president does not compare apples with apples. We have a separate cost for the Prime Minister and his cabinet to that of the Royal Family and extended Family who all contribute to the expense. The US President has a job to do to lead the US through economic turmoil, manage stability in the middle east and diplomacy / trade relations with the far east. Your reference to the Monarchy is in terms of tourism and international fairy-tale fascination of overseas visits. Do you care to fund the cost for those fascinations from the US then? The Monarchy used to be the government, now government is a separate entity in the contextual framework of a democracy. The notion of a Monarchy is always contradictory to the ideology of Democracy.
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What’s the difference between your queen and moammar gadhafi, saddam hussein ? They stole hundreds of millions over three or four decades.
Where did the queen get her billions from…the same place, only she and the rest of those leaches took it from the people over hundreds of years.
While the rest of you Brits are paying large to put a roof over your head, those “royals” travel the globe, and burn your cash, live in total excess……… Wake up, it’s 2012…not the 1600′s.
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The cost is an important argument. But I believe intangible cost is much higher. The mere keeping the status quo as it is, is profoundly undemocratic. The question I have is, when Queen Elizabeth II passes away (may she have many more years in good health), will her estate be subject to the same estate taxes as the rest of us? In theory, following generations become poorer due to this particular tax and new generations must earn income afresh.
Also, the loss of democratic choice for a head of state, bothers me. I think Queen Elizabeth II is doing a wonderful job as head of state, but going forward, I will prefer someone based on earned merit. Any nominations for Boris Johnson going?
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It is all left-wing jealousy of an individual in a privileged position. The Monarchy as an institution is over 1200 years old and is part of our heritage. Stonehenge and Dover Castle cost a lot to maintain but no-one calls for their demolition to save money or questions their value as heritage and tourism sites. A living Monarchy 1200 years old with all its pomp and circumstance is as worth preserving as any other part of our heritage and as much a tourist attraction as any other we have. Quaint anachronisms like The Speaker sitting on a wool sack, judges wearing long wigs, ceremonial soldiers wearing Napoleonic uniforms, Morris Dancers, and Scotsmen in kilts are what define us as British rather than French or Spanish, and the Royal Family are the biggest and most definitive anachronism of all. Unfortunately, because its invested in a an individual and her family, the lefties cant see the value of Royalty past their foaming hatred of privilege
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There is nothing more exhausting then arguing with a leftie, are you lot really that miserable and envious that you can’t see the benefit of a Royal Family? People born into land and riches are most of the time much more humble and down to earth and normal than some jumped up new comer. “You can’t give power to a simple man, it goes to his head like strong gin”!
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I would rather £50 a year of my taxed income is spent on them than get rid of the monarchy. Our country seems to be going down the toilet, it’s only our history that makes us “Great Britain”. They provide jobs for hundreds of people, many others base business’s on them which in turn gives them an income and they make tourists want to visit us. What’s wrong with any of that?
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One thing that you missed was that the Queen receives 15% of the profits from the Royal estate tax free, currently around £40 million per year, which is nice since the Royal estate is paid for by tax payers and I have just read that an extra £5 million in taxes (15% increase) will go toward the Royal estate this year.
I’m not sure which direction monarchists moral compasses point because if they can’t see the injustice in making poor people pay more to the upkeep of extremely rich people and indeed toward the upkeep of their business and extra profits then I can only assume they are broken.
The other laughable excuse for the Royal family is that they work ever so hard – yeah, I’m sure they would trade places with any of us in an instant poor souls.
Still, as far as parasites go they are not much worse than our own government and at least know how to behave for the most part.
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You do realise that the crown estate is owned by the crown. Its upkeep and profits were given to parliament in the 1700s but legally belongs to the crown.
If the monarch demanded this back then we would be in a much worse state. The Queen opted to pay taxes and generates billions in revenue for this country. Of course we should pay for our head of state.
America spends 4 billion dollars per year for their president. I’d go so far as to say that our monarch is bloody good value for money.
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