FactCheck: is President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner right?
Argentina says it wants the Falkland Islands. Or rather, not just that it wants them, but that it wants them back.
Today, President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner wrote an open letter to David Cameron, cc’ing the UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon, accusing Britain of forcibly acquiring the islands and saying they should be returned.
Didn’t go down very well with the recipient of the letter – just hours later, Mr Cameron pretty much said “well, you can’t have them”.
This comes days after disputed territory in Antarctica was called Queen Elizabeth Land, provoking the wrath of Argentina, and after a year of tit-for-tat exchanges last year with the 30th annivesary of the invasion.
FactCheck’s taken a look at what Ms de Kirchner says.
The claim
“One hundred and eighty years ago on this same date, January 3rd, in a blatant exercise of 19th-century colonialism, Argentina was forcibly stripped of the Malvinas Islands, which are situated 14,000km (8,700 miles) away from London.”
The islands have for a long time been a disputed territory.
While even earliest accounts of who first sighted it, and who first landed on it are disputed – some suggest that while the Dutch first saw it, the Brits first landed on it – earlier claims to sovereignty also include the French.
The French established a colony, Port Louis, in 1764, on East Falkland, in 1764. They sold it to the Spanish for £24,000 in the late 1767. It was renamed Puerto de la Soledad, and later, the French designation for the islands, Les Iles Malouines, would become Las Islas Malvinas.
Meanwhile, the British had taken possession of West Falkland and established a base at the new Port Egmont, until 1774, when the Brits withdrew their settlement, according to the Foreign Affairs select committee.
By 1811, the Spaniards had also left their settlement, and the island had no inhabitants other than sheep and cattle. It also had a couple of plaques, or the equivalent of – one from the Brits, which was taken to Spain and later reclaimed, and one from the Spanish.
In November 1820, Colonel Daniel Jewett, a US navyman, claimed possession of the Malvinas on behalf of Buenos Aires.
Argentina says that the UK not only didn’t protest but actively encouraged it through signing the 1825 Anglo-Argentine Treaty of Friendship, Commerce and Navigation. In that treaty, the UK agreed to recognise Argentine sovereignty and independence.
By 1829, when Buenos Aires attempted to place the islands under the control of Louis Vernet, Argentina hadn’t been given any reason to think it would be stopped.
Vernet established a colony only after seeking the permission of both the United Provinces and the British government, aware that London still claimed the Falklands for the British crown.
Argentina also says that after it acquired independence from Spain in 1816, it gained the rights to its territory. The UK disputes this saying that that principle – of uti possedetis – “is not accepted as a general principle of international law”.
FactCheck isn’t quite sure why the UK says this. As late as 1986, the International Court of Justice affirmed the use of the principle in the case, Burkina-Faso v Mali.
But, when Ms de Kirchner refers to the 1833 British claim on the islands, she has grounds for believing that the islands were beginning to fall under de facto Argentine control.
“The Argentines on the Islands were expelled by the Royal Navy and the United Kingdom subsequently began a population implantation process similar to that applied to other territories under colonial rule.”
The verdict
The foreign and commonwealth office has consistently denied that anyone was removed from the islands by force.
Today, a spokeswoman repeated that denial in the face of Ms de Kirchner’s letter.
And a foreign affairs select committee report of June 2008 would appear to repeat that position, saying that the Brits “requested that the Argentines leave”. It doesn’t say whether they complied with that request or not, but does say that “British occupation therefore resumed”.
The FCO website, however, in describing that portion of history, does say that HMS Clio in 1833 told Juan Mestivier, whom Buenos Aires had appointed as Civil and Political Governor the previous year, to leave. The 24-man garrison that had arrived with him was also told to go.
However, contemporary accounts written by Charles Darwin and Robert FitzRoy, captain of the HMS Beagle which also went to the island, suggested that some settlers of various nationalities who had been living there were encouraged to stay. That would imply that while an Argentine garrison was asked to leave, there was certainly no expulsion of all the island’s inhabitants.
Britain has denied ever expelling civilian Argentine populations.
“In 1960, the United Nations proclaimed the necessity of ‘bringing to an end colonialism in all its forms and manifestations’. In 1965, the General Assembly adopted, with no votes against (not even by the United Kingdom), a resolution considering the Malvinas Islands a colonial case and inviting the two countries to negotiate a solution to the sovereignty dispute between them.”
The verdict
Here, Ms de Kirchner is referring to the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial countries and Peoples of 14 December 1960.
That says that the General Assembly “solemnly proclaim the necessity of bringing to a speedy and unconditional end colonialism in all its forms and manifestations”.
In 1965, the Fourth Committee of the UN General Assembly adopted resolution 2065, the Question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) where it noted the “existence of a dispute between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over the said Islands”.
It went on to invite both governments “to proceed without delay with the negotiations … with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem”.
And, that was adopted by a vote of 94 in favour, to 0 against, with 14 absentions. Britain did not vote against it, and went on to negotiate with Argentina during 1967 and 1968.
What Ms de Kirchner failed to state, however, was that the remainder of the resolution also said that negotiations should continue “bearing in mind … the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands”.
Interests which, Britain says, suggest that on the principles of self-determination Falklanders wish to remain an Overseas Territory of the UK.
By Fariha Karim





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London may be 14,000 km from Stanley – but Argentina is nearly 2000 km away … Thats as far as London is from ANY other European capital – so the ‘distance argument’ means nothing! …. Australia & China could use the same argument to ‘share’ Indonisia.
Since hardly any Argentinians or Brits have actually been there (except for military personel who were told to go) surely it’s down to the ACTUAL inhabitants of those islands as to who or what they want to be and nothing to do with polititians seeking mineral & fishing rights!
… just what the full wording of the UN motion said back in 1965
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The distance to London is less than 13 000 km, to be exact. Sooner or later, Miss Kirchner will have a secretary who can read maps.
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as if any of this matters. since when has right or wrong had anything to do with anything.america, give the indians back their land. australia, give the aborigines back their land. argentina, give the indians back their land. you want it take it.
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In 1965 we had a Labour government under Wilson. There was a tidal wave of protest running against colonies and Empire. Despite that, the Labour government of the time did no more than adknowledge there was a “dispute” although it did not remove the British inhabitants from their homes and transfer the islands to Argentina.
It’s not possible to go on picking out events from the past and try to rewrite history – although every self-proclaimed victim of some long-gone, supposed wrong seems to want that done and apologies made, and compensation paid. They’ve been British occupied for 150 years or more and Argentina has hardly existed that long, let alone governed the islands. Let’s not waste any more time on Kirchner and her obsession.
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I’m surprised there’s no explicit mention of the fact that Argentina didn’t actually exist as a country when the French and British arrived on the Islands. France, Spain and Britain all settled before Argentina and for longer. Argentina essentially squatted for a few years and are using that to attempt to displace a population that has been settled for over 150 years. Argentine leaders use the Islands as a political chess piece for their own domestic issues and the international community should not be entertaining this nonsense.
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The most recent judgement mutually agreed is that of the UN resolution which is the UK stance on the matter. As with all legal processes this supersedes earlier positions. Imagine if in court a barrister could ask “can we prosecute under the law as it stood in 1820?”
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Does Ms de Kirchner not even CARE what the inhabitants of these islands want? They must surely have the right to choose who governs them!! Ms de Kirchner sounds like someone who is desparate for glory and is a land-grabber to boot, and is not taking the islanders views into consideration.
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It’s time for UK to give back Las Malvinas island to Argentina. The only reason they might want to keep rights over the islands is to attempt to claim rights over the natural sources in the South Pole in the future. Colonialism should be extinct a century ago.
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“While even earliest accounts of who first sighted it, and who first landed on it are disputed – some suggest that while the Dutch first saw it, the Brits first landed on it – earlier claims to sovereignty also include the French.”
The first recorded landing was by Captain Striong on behalf of the English crown. There is no prior French claim.
“By 1829, when Buenos Aires attempted to place the islands under the control of Louis Vernet, Argentina hadn’t been given any reason to think it would be stopped.”
In 1822 Vernet asked for and eventually received permission to build a whaling station on the islands from the British Consulate. That the Provinces of the River Plate (later to become Argentina) unilaterally upgraded the colony to include a prison camp and a military camp was deemed unacceptable by the British government.
Vernets colony was accused of piracy by the United States and was raided by an American warship. Later in 1833 the illegal (Argentine) military garrison was removed but the population was allowed to remain.
Vernet had not paid the colonists by 1833 while the British government promised to guarantee their wages after the take over. The…
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If Argentina claims the right to the Falklands from 1820, and are also using the 1960 declaration of the UN against colonialiam, then lets look at Argentine in 1820. It was considerably smaller than it is now.
So give back Patagonia which was colonised in the 1870′s.and all the other lands they have taken since 1820.
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Is it not also written into the UN Charter that peoples should have a right of self-determination?
Surely the phrase, “bearing in mind … the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands” is entirely consistent with that?
Or are we talking here about the politicians’ usual attitude to the governed – that they go through a charade of “consultation” – and then ignore, and ride roughshod over, the wishes of the consulted.
The only just outcome of, “negotiations . . . with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem”, is that the wishes of the population should be respected. For Kirchner to demand the “return” of the Islands irrespective of the wishes of their people would itself be blatant colonialism, and (assuming the population choose to remain British) contrary to the UN’s own pretensions to support self-determination.
By refusing to acknowledge this, Kirchner is clearly showing herself to be just as rabid a totalitarian as Galtieri before her.
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Mrs Kirchner the FALKLAND ISLANDSwill never be returned to Argentina. Her predecessors cost hundreds of lives on both side all those years ago, and she has not learnt a thing. If the will of the people on the islands is that they wish to stay British then they must be so!
No government, unless it is a despotic failing one such as the one she is head of, should be allowed to continue to grandstand like this. Mrs Kirchner is purely rattling the drum for an unlawful 3rd term as President – she is actively trying to change the law to stay in power, now who else in South America does this – oh yes, Chavez of Venezuela!! Say no more..THE FALKAND ISLANDS ARE BRITISH.
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You need to review your history – the French most certainly did not ‘sell’ them. The money was compensation for the work done – ie the fort that had been built.Spain actually said that its claim went back to 1493 when a Pope gave them most of the unkown world.
http://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/falklands-war-the-first-400-years-pdf.pdf
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I can’t help but feel that the Argentines original inhabitants were presumably Spanish immigrants/colonialists. Did they find the land empty? or did they displace the original inhabitants?
History shows well enough how the Spaniards ( other colonial powers are available!) treated the locals.
Either way it seems they continue to behave in a colonial manner with expansionist aims over the Falklands.
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Isn’t the sudden interest in disputed islands thought to be a diversion used by governments wishing to attract their citizens’ interest away from domestic problems. The island controversies seem to be symbolic only. The China-Japan islands are uninhabited. Personally, I am waiting for Cuba to take the U.S. to the international landlord-tenant court in The Hague.
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http://www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/falkland/gettingitright.pdf
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Well done lindsay, you are bang on, this excuse for a government leader, is trying to pull the wool over our eyes, trying along with william (Thatcher’s boy) hague to pull our attention away from domestic issues trying to threaten us with dismantling the welfare state, if we don,t toe the line.
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Oh, for heavens sake, what does it matter? Camoron is using the Falklands to detract attention from dismantling the welfare state.
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You state:
a. Argentina gained independence in 1816; and
b. the Falklands were claimed on behalf of Argentina in 1820.
As I understood it the principle of Uti possidetis applies at the end of conflicts and on the creation of new states as part of decolonisation but does not apply when a country which is already independent wants to claim more territory. Neither seems to be the position in 1820 and later. So perhaps the point the FCO are making is that it is not a principlke you can toss around in any and every argument gets what?
I have to say your omission of this point ties in with the overall pro-Argentinian flavour.
And (as usual) makes no mention of the fact that many Argentinians are still clearly colonials with little or no indigenous Amerindian ancestors.
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Forget the history, the people of the Falkland Islands have the right to self determination. Why would they want to become part of an corrupt ex Spanish colony. Thankfully that is not going to happen.
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I couldn’t help noticing the reference to; the General Assembly “solemnly proclaim the necessity of bringing to a speedy and unconditional end colonialism in all its forms and manifestations”.
I guess that should put an end to the European Union and its attempts to colonise the United Kingdom?
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Funny how this Fact Check flies in the face of the last one you had on this (including the same questions/facts).
The reality this is about mineral wealth and a politician divertig attention away from her failing government. In the same way that happened in ’82.
Argentina is the one here engaged in colonialism. Wanting to take over land deapite the popularion. Distance has never been an argument against ownership while the Falklands had no indigenous peoples. Argentina on the otherhand did. So if this woman is so concerned then why not start with mainland Argentina. Expel those of Spanish descent and give control back to those indigeous peoples who were inevitably stuffed by them.
Simples.
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If the Argentinian President loses the next election, will her successor stop going on about “decolonialising” the Falklands/Malvinas? Don’t bet on it! But if he/she wants sensible dialogue over the issue, the UK should accept that, surely, and try to arrive at a Hong Kong-type solution, if only to prevent Argentinian leaders making political hay out of this matter forever more The inhabitants need not suffer any more than a slight infringement of their pride, and it would be well worth that if the UK Govt and its forces are spared another conflict — or continuing criticism from other governments, however unfounded such may seem. (If Galtieri and Co had not jumped the gun, as it were, something like that would probably have been the situation right now.)
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Bruce,
Why would Britain have any negotiation with Argentina regarding the Falklands? In a nutshell, would you negotiate ownership of your house or car with me? No you wouldn’t, because there will be no evidence to suggest I even know where you live, never mind what car you drive. There is no evidence (except made up evidence) that Argentina has even the slightest claim.
Argentina has NO claim on the Falklands, Argentina was ~1000 miles away from the Falklands before they invaded Patagonia.
The Falklands are nothing to do with Argentina, Argentine’s have never lived there.
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History should never be forgotten, but in this day and age, it would be ridiculous to discuss the sovereignity of the islands without consulting the islanders. Who are we to pass them round like some piece of meat in the market? What angers me is not so much their claim to the islands, but their blatant disregard of the wishes of the islanders. They are free to campaign for Argentina in next month’s referendum, but the locals’ wishes must be respected.
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I have been working in Latin America for more than 25 years. The
educated Argentinians I have spoken to, have not been impressed with
their leadership for many years. It is a trend in Latin America to have
self centered, greedy egotistical people in politics and civil service.
If the elected officials and their cronies spent the same amount of time
working for their people as they did working out ways to steal from
them, it would be a great improvement.
Kirchner and Timerman are delusional if they think they can chase us off
just because of the potential oil deposits. The Argentinians had little
interest in the islands until they discovered the results of the 1970′s
seismic reflection surveys. Which they had no part in developing, conducting or financing.
Let the Falkland Islanders decide, they are the ones that have 9 generations vested. It is their home. Where do the Argentinians get the idea that the Falklands are in their territorial waters. By those calculations we’ve got dibs on Norway’s energy reserves.
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The principle of self-determination does not apply to the Question of the Malvinas-Falklands Islands.
The specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina. Therefore, the possibility remains of the principle of self-determination, as its exercise by the islanders, cause the “disruption of the national unity and territorial integrity” of Argentina. In this regard it should be noted that Resolution 1514 (XV) “Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” in the sixth paragraph states that “Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations. ”
In the Malvinas Question General Assembly of the United Nations included this doctrine – the principle of territorial integrity by referring to the interests and NOT the wishes of the population of the islands – in its resolution 2065 (XX), 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160,…
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Raul. With all due respect, you need to go and check the UN website. Self determination is a a right to ALL peoples. There is nothing selective. The Falklanders have lived on the Falkland Islands for 150 years, not a single one is what (you) call implanted. All of them were born there.
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Dear Lindsay.
I appreciate your intention and your opinion. You are wrong. Self-determination is not applicable in this case. Before living in the Argentine Islands who were expelled in 1833 by English colonialism and imperialism. Read the decolonization committee resolutions of UN General Assembly. Res (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination. Of the 16 cases of colonialism in the world, 10 are caused by England. See the resolutions of the Decolonization Committee of the UN.
thank you very much
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Dear Raul.
Nice of you to tell us about the UN resolutions. I notice you didn’t mention Resolution 502. Anyway, where does it say on any of those that the Falkland Islanders do not have the right to self determination?
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Raul,
Working on your theory then the indigenous people’s of south america should have the right to expel YOU from THEIR territories that you can not dispute, were forcibly removed from their homes by the colonial powers that declared them lands of Spain and Portugal, but we cant ask if they would like their lands back because they were murdered were they not?
I keep coming across the phrases stating the harsh brutality of British colonialism, but that is the past and we are all guilty of the wrongs of the past, but in this modern developed world every single one of us has the right to determine their own destiny, our countries signed the convention of settlement which should have put an end to this, but both our premiers are acting like children, the falklanders have had their say and have chosen through, democratic means their future, respect their wishes, or your country runs the risk of becoming the colonial bullies that you are accusing britian of being, rant over!
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