FactCheck: Is Lansley misleading us over the NHS?
“This meeting deplores the government’s misleading and inaccurate talking down of health outcomes in the UK in order to justify its White Paper reforms and Health Bill in England.”
British Medical Association (BMA) Special Representative Meeting to debate NHS reforms in England, Motion 10, March 15, 2011
By Emma Thelwell
The background
Doctors charged the Government today with feeding the public “deliberate unashamed misinformation” in its bid to push through radical NHS reforms.
Almost 400 doctors gathered at the BMA’s first emergency meeting in almost 20 years to vote against the Health and Social Care Bill – and to vote on three separate motions of no confidence in Health Secretary Andrew Lansley.
Mr Lansley, who lost the support of his Coalition partners over the weekend at the Lib Dem conference, has insisted that patients are at the heart of the reforms. He argues that the NHS needs reform on the basis that it lags behind Europe, specifically with poor death rates in cancer and heart disease.
But is the NHS really the sick man of Europe? FactCheck investigates.
The analysis
The whole of Europe “could do better” in the health care stakes, according to latest analysis from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).
While no one’s been issued a clean bill of health, the OECD’s summary of the UK’s battle against cancer and heart disease isn’t all bad.
Take breast cancer. It’s the most common form of cancer among all women in all EU countries – accounting for 31 per cent of cancer incidence and 17 per cent of cancer deaths among women in 2008.
The UK screens more women for breast and cervical cancer than most other developed countries and in the OECD’s 2010 Health at a Glance, we ranked third for cervical cancer screening and fifth for mammography screening over the period 2000 to 2008.
Survival rates, however, are less healthy. For both cancers, the UK dips below the European average – the 5-year survival rate for cervical cancer during 2002-2007 was 59.4 per cent – versus an OECD average of 65.7 per cent; and for breast cancer the rate was 78.5 per cent, slightly lower than the OECD average of 81.2 per cent.
But, the OECD points out that survival rates for different types of cancer is improving in the UK.
And data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) rubber-stamps this; with latest figures showing that the UK survival rate for most of the 21 common cancers improved – for both men and women – over the period 2003-2007 compared with the period 2001-2006.
Furthermore, ONS stats show that the five-year survival rate for women diagnosed with breast cancer during 2003-2007 was 83.3 per cent. This was 1.3 per cent higher than for women diagnosed in 2001-2006
As for heart disease, the official Ministerial briefing for the Bill claimed that, despite matching the French for healthcare spending, our rate of death from heart disease is double theirs.
This claim was repudiated a few months ago by the Kings Fund’s chief economist John Appleby. He said the comparison was made over just one year of OECD figures, and with France – a country with the lowest death rate for “myocardial infarction” – or heart attacks – in Europe.
Mr Appleby pointed out: “Not only has the UK the largest fall in death rates from myocardial infarction between 1980 and 2006 of any European country, if trends over the past 30 years continue, it will have a lower death rate than France as soon as 2012.”
Dr Chaand Nagpaul, the GP representing Edgware and Hendon at today’s BMA meeting, tabled the first motion against Mr Lansley. Dr Nagpaul could not accept what he called the Government’s “plain ignorance” on the NHS’s record.
“Did they really not know that heart disease mortality has fallen more sharply in the UK than any other European nation…Did they really not know that the UK leads Europe in the reduction of breast cancer mortality rates, and that lung cancer death rates in men is actually lower than those in France?,” he said.
The verdict
Since kicking off his case for the “liberation” of the NHS in July, Mr Lansley has repeatedly claimed that “compared to other countries” the NHS has achieved poor outcomes in some areas.
But as he stated himself, the notably poor performances are in areas such as diabetes and asthma – confirmed to FactCheck by the OECD.
The OECD does say that most other European countries achieve higher survival rates for different types of cancer.
Yet, it also acknowledges that our cancer survival rates have improved. Plus, the organisation also tipped its hat to the UK for having a lower number of hospital admissions for congestive heart failure and hypertension than the rest of Europe.
Dr Nagpaul accused the Government of being “so bereft of national pride” that it totally ignores such facts, as well as the findings of the Commonwealth Fund.
FactCheck however, won’t be falling foul to that charge – we’ve read the 2010 Health Policy survey by the US health think tank, which pits the UK against Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and the US.
The UK scored highest on confidence in NHS treatment and second only to New Zealand on the quality of care from doctors – with 79 per cent of those questioned rating the care they’d received in the past 12 months from their doctor as very good or excellent.
The NHS isn’t a picture of health, but we’re hardly the worst in Europe. So why is Mr Lansley being such a hypochondriac?



There are 30 comments on this post
I think it would have been appropriate to put France’s slightly better results into context by pointing out how much more they spend on healthcare than us.
Other than that, another triumph for FactCheck.
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Simply comparing survival rates is very misleading. Valid comparisons cannot be made between countries where healthcare spending is not the same.
Lifestyle factors have a huge influence on health, arguably more so than medical treatment for many conditions; for instance, the UK has the highest rate of obesity in the EU.
Lansley conveniently ignores this while talking down the NHS to suit his ideology.
Irreversible damage will be done to our excellent heath service if this bill goes through – it must be stopped.
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Lansley should resign. He’s incompetent, untrustworthy, a liar and totally arrogant. Mind you, that’s sums up the whole coalition in general really.
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It’s the same old story – selective use of facts to justify a policy that wasn’t in the Conservative party manifesto or the Coalition agreement If Cameron’s antennae were working, he’d realise that this has all the potential to be his Government’s “Poll Tax”.
However, I noticed that Clegg’s response to the vote at the LibDem conference was carefully worded & I suspect he won’t oppose it. So look out for more spurious & misleading statistics to justify the policy. Unsurprising, since there are virtually no objectively sensible reasons for undertaking a massive reorganisation which will cost £££ which could have been spent on improving health care. Why is it that politicians can’t resist fiddling around with organisational structures rather then focusing on outcomes? (The only reason I can come up with for Lansley’s idiocy is that there are lot of private sector companies out there waiting to make money out of the change – but no doubt I’m just an old cynic)
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This is a massive story – ignored tonight by C4News – and we must keep banging away to stop this privatisation of the NHS.
I remember reading somewhere that another reason the figures between UK and other countries in Europe is the different way in which cause of death is registered means that some people who die of say cancer in France aren’t listed as cancer victims. Might be worth looking into that.
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Sam, totally agree – it is a massive story and should be kept high on the agenda. Britains Health Service is what defines us as a fair and humane society and a few selfish and inhuman characters want to destroy it to line the pockets of their own social clique.
If you aren’t already a supporter of 38 Degrees you should visit their website where Saving the NHS has become the next big campaign (having won the Forests and Mega Dairies ones). We all need to spread the word because once its broken up and sold off there is no going back.
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U.K.has a national health system, each one having an N.H.S. number which is deleted when one dies.The
cause of death,too, is noted:the reason for Britain
having excellent data and why numbers are more honest.When I read the German medical journals,they
have articles about the propensity of diabetes,
obesity and coma-drinking in teenagers. However, the bread is excellent. Salads, fresh fruit,yoghurt
etc. are high on the menu.
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Emma,
Thanks for that confirmation as expected.
You can’t say it, but I will: Lansley and the Tories are liars on the health issue and they seek nothing but destruction of the NHS to the profit of their neo con chums on both sides of the Atlantic.
Well done the BMA for at last growing a pair.
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Everyone needs to spread the word on this. Once our NHS is gone (and be sure, the bill will have it gone!), we will never get it back!
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The whole thing is pure ideology. The Tories hate the NHS and will say anything (however misleading) to try and discredit the NHS.
That’s it, and all of it.
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It is vital that people (including those in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) stand up and defend the NHS by writing to their MPs and urging them to oppose the Health and Social Care bill. Better still, go and visit them and tell them to oppose the bill.
The doctors are doing all they can. We have to act too.
Sign the petition at http://www.nhscampaign.org
If this bill goes through, expect to see
– hospitals treating increasing numbers of private patients, squeezing NHS patients further and further down waiting lists
- hospital closures
- people unable to get treatment in their own area because of wealthier patients driving from other areas to exercise “patient choice”
- sick, elderly relatives becoming upset and dazed by the complex system of “choices” presented to them, only to find no local treatment available
- private healthcare firms “cherry-picking” simple treatments, leaving complex cases behind
- dwindling quality in mental health services as they prove unattractive to share-holders
Stop the bill, save the NHS. Once it’s gone, it’s gone.
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I agree with Dr Nagpauls comment that Britan is bereft of National pride.
Blanket comparisons of diseases cannot be made. For example Type 2 Diabetes is markedly precipitated by obesity. Obesity needs patient compliance to keep weight down. It is not a disease which can be treated with a few blood tests , physiologial tests , advice and drugs. It needs hard work by the patient.Any clinician will tell you this is the most difficult aspect of diabetes control.This will not change whether the state or the private sector is in control. It is false evidence in relation to outcome.
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Margaret – Completely agree. I am type 2 diabetic, although in my case it is genetic and i am skinny not obese.However you general point is correct.
I am fearful of these reforms on many levels. First will I be forced to pay for my prescriptions. I currently take three medicines at the moment; this will increase as I get older.
Second, my care is likely to become fragmented.
There is no mandate fro these changes. What’s more it is purely ideological. It has nothing whatsoever about improving health care in Britain. It’s about putting profit first before people.
Disgusting.
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Sorry to hear that you are one of the unlucky ones who have not even got the chance of improving your condition by weight loss.Many have that opportunity and don’t take it up.I believe that genetically inherited type 2 diabetes is caused not by a specific gene, but rather a collection of abnormalities (although latest research might refute this)
A similarity to your position is in the control of lipids , which you must be aware of, where whilst trying to reduce total cholesterol and triglycerides and introducing a low lipid diet,increasing HDl’s etc, no impact will be made upon the pt due to genetics . These pts sometimes also have a very low BMI.
It is a hard life living with diabetes , type 1 and 2. The sufferers will have a far better quality of life when beta cells can be grown and transplanted.
The whole group of metabolic abnormalites present a challenge to research and methods of treatment in the next decade. Outcomes are not simply medical cures though, they enable the sufferer to live with the condition . This cannot be measured.
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While I don’t agree with the Government’s spin in ‘talking down’ the NHS in order to justify their own political agenda, neither do I see the NHS as a sacred cow that should not be criticised in any way.
If the Government reforms will result in delivering the same outcomes for a lower price, or better outcomes for the same price, or, ideally, better outcomes for a lower price, then they’re worthwhile.
The debate should actually centre around the merits of those proposed reforms, and the current, real state of the NHS, not Government propaganda used to justify ideological objectives, or scaremongering used by the opposition to rally support.
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While I agree that the NHS should never be criticised, that isn’t the point if Lansley’s bill.
There may be some aspects of the bill which people can support (although we are not told anything) the general thrust of the bill has one purpose only – privatisation at any cost – to the patient or price.
I have just finished writing an article which about increases in health insurance costs. This is what the Government want, for us to pay for our own health care.
Well, we do in our taxes.
Despite any possible useful proposals the bill must be defeated. As one doctor said, many of the supposed ‘good’ ideas don’t need a bill to apply them.
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It’s all part of their ideological agenda of redistributing power to the richest. It’s all smoke and mirrors. We need to celebrate the NHS ant allow Lansley to Con Dem it so that they can carve it up into privately commissioned providers. Fine if you need your varicose veins removing terrifying, if like me you have a long term neuro-muscular condition
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Having just watched PMQs it seems clear that Cameron doesn’t realise that by subjecting the NHS to European competition law, any savings he makes on bureaucrats will be more than wiped out by legal fees.
But then I guess most lawyers vote tory
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Cameron has been told twice now by letter from John Healey (Labour’s Health spokesman) to stop misquoting him in the NHS debate. What kind of PM continually ignores this.
I think to start with Cameron should now be forced by John Bercow (as Speaker) to make a full apology to John Healey. If not, Bercow should suspend him from the House till he does.
I also watched PMQs. If Cameron doesn’t know what his own policy means for the NHS then he should be removed. He is incompetent. The people of this country should no longer have to be subject to this kind of politician. Tory or Labour.
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My elderly parents live in Spain, and compared to the care they received between the two countries, I would rather the Spanish.After my father’s first minor stroke, within 4 hours he had received a CAT scan, a cardiology check. blood tests, and seen two separate Consultants with a future options plan for medication. After his first in London, he was put into a stroke unit ward and saw just one Consultant. Tests and scans took months.
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There are 2 issues here …
1. The Tories and the sleep walking Lib Dems do not seem to understand the impact of Andrew Lansley’s policy…as this is indeed the policy of one man…It was not included in any mainfesto nor did anyone vote or hear about this policy before Andrew Lansley landed it on everyone…The impact of this policy has not been adequatley thought through or consulted on…
2. The strategy and reasoning behind the pilcy is flawed…..there is no evidence that this policy will improve outcomes or improve the NHS …while there are severe risks that it will undermine current patient care….I am originally from outside the UK and I am surprised how so many british people talk down the NHS which I think is (not perfect) but a great institution….
I think the Con/Dems are at best totally incompetent on the NHS
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Kathy, your citing of confidence statistics is misleading. Our confidence, or lack of, in our health outcomes does not affect outcomes.
Another article you link to says ‘Earlier, GPs voted in favour a motion supporting the “principles of clinician-led commissioning of services” – one of the major changes in the Bill’. So, the BMA aren’t exactly being consistent here. Given that this conference had 400 of their 140,000 membership, is it not possible that the assembly was of those most annoyed?
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The BMA members at the meeting were elected representatives. Are you saying that because the number of MPs is such a minute fraction of the population they cannot represent the views of their own constituents?
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NHS Reform
There is so much wrong it is hard to know where to start.
I know that The management is totally Incompetent from my experience of the local NHS trusts in my area as I have been unable to get a Diagnosis from a MRI scan or a copy of my medical records which are kept off site in a holding company belonging to the consultants office not the medical records office.
I know from personal experience 14 years in chronic pain due to a kneecap calcification and incorrect physiotherapy for which I have had no treatment that people are being maimed or dying from the result of incompetence which is simply not recorded in medical records.
The Information commissioner has no power to Investigate
And
the HNS Ombudsman is powerless to Investigate without medical records.
Therefore the two public safety offices are not fit for purpose
Why is this happening
Simply
Very poor management and a lack of competent consultants.
To my mind the proposed NHS reform has not gone far enough
1) Hospitals should be run by a head nurse
2) The post of consultant should be removed and replaced with a technician
3) If immediate action is necessary it should be taken as determined by the…
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There is a great deal of selected data in this article.I am going to pinpoint some of them:It is recognised that survival rates for different types of cancers are improving in the UK. However we are not told whether survival rates for these cancers are also improving in the OECD. Secondly in the context of the current debate we are not told whether these improvements are taking place in the private sector or in the NHS.Perhaps comparisons also need to be made on the type of care received in the OECD as compared with care provided in the NHS.There are many considerations but these three would appear to be relevant.
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http://www.download-it.org/learning-resources.php?promoCode=&partnerID=&content=story&fixedmetadataID=&storyID=26048
come on channel 4… the news is out there all over thew internet. The findings of this report don’t seem to be getting much official airtime… but guess what…its being quoted everywhere on the net..
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http://www.natcen.ac.uk/media/606952/nat%20british%20social%20attitudes%20survey%20summary%204.pdf
Satisfaction with the NHS is at its highest level ever.
• When Labour entered office in 1997, only a third
of people (34%) were satisfied with the NHS, the
lowest levels since our survey series began in 1983.
By 2009, satisfaction stood at 64%, the highest level
since the survey began.
• Only one in five people (19%) are “very dissatisfied”
or “quite dissatisfied” with the NHS, down 31
percentage points since 1997 (when 50% were
dissatisfied).
Satisfaction levels have increased across the
population.
• The largest increases have been among those
with traditionally low levels of satisfaction. These
include 18-34 year olds (up 32 percentage points
since 1996, compared with an increase of 24 points
among those aged 65 and over) and better-off
households in the top two income quartiles (up 31
and 36 percentage points respectively since 1996,
compared with an increase of 25 points among the
lowest income quartile).
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While satisfaction with the NHS among Conservative
supporters fell initially when Labour came to power,
it rose 12 percentage points between 1996 and 2009,
reaching a high of 61% in 2009.
Increased satisfaction partly reflects the fact that
people recognise and value the improvements that
have taken place within the NHS, particularly in
relation to waiting times. But the promotion of patient
choice (within England at least) has not led to higher
levels of satisfaction with NHS services.
Satisfaction levels differ considerably by service.
• Satisfaction with GPs is traditionally high. Although
levels declined after 1993, they recovered in 2005,
standing at 80% in 2009, possibly mirroring the
introduction of maximum waiting time targets for
appointments.
• Satisfaction with dentists steadily declined since
1983, halting only in 2004 since when satisfaction
levels have remained stable. In 2009 less than half
of people (48%) were satisfied with NHS dentists.
• Satisfaction with outpatient services is at its
highest ever (67%). Outpatient services have seen
the biggest increase in satisfaction levels, with a 15
point increase between 1996 and 2009.
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Lansley’s behaviour shouldn’t be surprising – it’s typical practice for a politician of any colour. Take a pre-conceived viewpoint (which agrees with your philosophy), promote and hype up all evidence that supports it, while ignoring or trying to discredit all evidence to the contrary.
The NHS may be in need of reform, but surely it would be a better tactic to consult practitioners on what would make their job easier (e.g. less bureaucratic monitoring).
Private providers may be able to achieve more for less in the short term, but as demand increases and the business will still need to make increasing year-on-year profits, the money available for patient care will decrease.
And as the government will no longer control how the money is spent, they will be able to wash their hands and say “Nothing to do with us! Blame your GP Consortium!” They presumably believe people will be able to register with a GP in a different consortium. In a densely populated city, maybe. In rural areas, completely unfeasible.
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