FactCheck: Cutting through the confusion on disabled benefits
“The money that is going into disability benefits will not go down under universal credit, it will go up…under the plans, no recipients will lose out unless their circumstances change.”
David Cameron, 17 October 2012
The background
The row over government plans to cut benefits for some disabled people returned to the headlines today with the publication of this highly critical report by the Children’s Society.
The charity said around 450,000 disabled claimants could lose out under changes to the benefits system with the introduction of “universal credit”.
But David Cameron defended the reforms at Prime Minister’s Questions, saying: “The money that is going into disability benefits will not go down under universal credit, it will go up…under the plans, no recipients will lose out unless their circumstances change.
“The current recipients are fully cash-protected by a transitional scheme.”
“For future recipients, we are going to increase the amount that we give to the most severely disabled children and there will be a new lower amount for the less disabled people.”
The analysis
Claim and counter-claim have rebounded around the Commons ever since the shake-up of disabled benefits was first announced.
In a nutshell, benefits for many disabled people will be substantially less generous in the future than they are now, so in that sense this is a “cut” – of just over £2bn, according to the Department of Work and Pensions (DWP).
The Children’s Society estimates that around 100,000 children will get about £28 a week less, about 230,000 severely disabled people who do not an adult carer could lose between £28 and £58 a week, and around 116,000 disabled people who work could less about £40 per week.
All these numbers are based on parliamentary answers, and the government does not dispute that there will be a significant number of losers under the new system.
But it’s important to note that it will be future claimants who lose out. The government has made a commitment to top up the income of exisiting claimants’ who would otherwise be penalised by the switch. People who claim now should not be worse off in the short term.
That is an important point that charities have sometimes been guilty of failing to spell out been slow to acknowledge – although there are serious caveats.
As the Prime Minister said, there will be a transitional protection scheme to ensure there are no cash losers from the changeover. But that only applies “unless their circumstances change”.
The Department of Work and Pensions says a change in circumstances could include moving in with a new partner, losing your job or an increase in earnings – in other words, pretty common life changes that are likely to happen to quite a few people.
Most importantly, the cash protection will not rise with inflation, so the value will dwindle over time. As the Universal Credit award is uprated, the cash to-up will be eaten away so you will be getting less in real terms.
Mr Cameron is right to say that the total spend on disabled benefits is set to rise not fall. He quoted some figures today that we don’t recognise, but the spending forecasts we FactChecked in detail last month suggest he is right in principle.
And it is true that payments for the most severely disabled children will go up, albeit slightly. They will get about £77 a week instead of £75, and children who are registered as blind will count as “severely disabled” for the first time.
The verdict
Mr Cameron has erred on this topic before, but we can’t fault the words he used at the despatch box today.
The total amount of money the state spends on benefits for the disabled is actually predicted to rise slightly despite these reforms – it’s just that spending will rise far more slowly than if we had done nothing.
The Prime Minister is also right to remind viewers – especially people who may be worried about immediate cuts to their household income – that there is a promise in place to protect existing claimants in the short term.
Critics are equally correct to point out that hundreds of thousands of future claimants will find that they receive a much less generous helping hand from the government.
By Patrick Worrall



There are 34 comments on this post
More weasel words from this Government who seem to care more for the rights of the notional unborn child than those of thousands of disabled living children. Bit by bit the Welfare State safety net is being unravelled by those too rich to care. What when there’s nothing left?
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When I first acquired my disability, after 4 months in hospital, on discharge social services threw me in a care home. I fought to get as much indepence as i could and after 6 months ended up in sheltered accom. I find it hard enough to get through the day. With woolly words from cameron while at the same time redefining who is disabled through wca and also PIP will lose us income and independence, I am rapidly going down hill and this tile will just throw the towel in and when the care home beckons again.
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so if your already a claimant you will carry on to recieve but new claimants will be restricted and will loose out ??? doeant make sense , if your disabled it means that !! you can not give to one disabled and refuse another ??? is cameron for real, this man certainly does not have a brain, also will you be treated as a new claimant each time you have to claim ????
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This is nothing more than clever politician talk which manages to avoid lying while at the same time avoids admitting that the benefits themselves ARE being cut.
The fact is that in most cases any individual disabled person will be significantly less well off from now on under the same set of circumstances.
Many people who become disabled will have to manage with a much reduced income compared to before and this will be extremely difficult. This includes severely disabled people who live alone and families with disabled children who do not require care at night. Both groups will be £56 and £28 per week worse off respectively.
Current claimants (assuming no change in circumstances and a severe benefit cut) will see their benefits frozen for the foreseeable future. They will have to deal with yearly squeeze in income as prices and rents rise but their income does not.
In summary total expenditure may indeed rise, but for most disabled people difficult times lie ahead and it is disingenuous to pretend otherwise.
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Disabled people are already suffering at the hands of atos.an alarming amount of disabled people are dying/committing suicide every week due too poor unfit medicals done by atos.Further cuts will ot help.This is money many of us disabled have worked and payed into the system, So i wish the scrounger attitude could be dropped. The Real scroungers are those not paying tax in this country and the mp`s claiming expenses and there second homes. I for one have worked 30 years with my disability,I did not ask for disability to worsen and be unable to work. I do not get the benefits that the gov website boasts i should be able to receive, Due too the way atos do there medicals and also lie about how serious peoples conditions are. Everyone should think that anything can happen any time leaving them disabled,They would soon be on the other side of fence then.
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The Real problem is ATOS Healtcare who have been awarded the contract to force 100% of the people who are disabled or terminaly ill to attend a totally CORRUPT! reassesment at the hands of £ATOS£ Halfwits with nio relevant qualifications or experiance just a few weeks training in how to become indifferent inhuman droid in order to DENY ALL THOSE WHO NEED IT! and our soldiers are not spared this humiliation either THEY DONT CARE! I know of a soldier who has lost three limbs in Afgan and has been denied any benifits?? WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE in this country? Is this what so many millions of people fought for in two world wars! SHAME ON ALL WHO SUPPORT THIS….I just hope you or people You know Never need the Help and Support in years to come! – IT WILL NOT BE THERE… Please speak out about this disgusting treatment of people who so clearly need help.. PLEASE RETHINK!
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100 % are forced through the system – 80% Are failed!!! All benifits are stopped. 40 % are strong enough to fight the FALSE decision made by ATOS and WIN rwith up to 60% winning appeal if they get support from the C.A.B or support worker…THIS IS NOT FAIR FOR the claiments or the Tax Payer (Hard working of course tax payer)
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The operative word being “unless” translated “we move the goalposts”
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your report made no mention of the hundreds of thousands of disabled people who will loose out under the change from D.L.A. to P.I.P.!!… useless with reality reporting, get your facts right first before you report on benefit reform!!…
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Very well said nice someone really got to the point. I was badly burned with 40% top half of my body have very little use of my left side and all my benifits have been stopped. now they want me to sign on or reclaim Jobseekers allo. sick isn’t it.
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Universal Credit is not replacing Disability Living Allowance – it is replacing Employment Support Allowance, Job Seeker’s Allowance, Housing Benefit and a whole host of other things. Personal Independence Payments are replacing Disability Living Allowance.
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Cathy/Patrick,
“…there is a promise in place to protect existing claimants in the short term.”
Oh good.
But once the short term has gone and the long term kicks in, THEN you get less.
It’s the same old, same old tories and Cleggies – cuts for the most vulnerable and poor, tax reductions and bigger profits for the rich. Nothing “generous” there.
And, as history shows, nothing unusual either.
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The government claim nobody will be worse off under UC than on our current benefits system; that’s because current benefits are being capped and cut to such as an extent that by time UC is introduced they will, indeed, be no worse off than they would have been under the just expired benefits system. Coupled with the move to a low wage, underemployed workforce, that means taking most of lowest paid jobs will, of course, leave most people better off than on new benefits regime because restrictions and caps of benefits leave them at £useless and useless pence. It most probably won’t put an end to people not having enough money to live on. After all most people living in poverty in ‘developing’ countries are in some form of work as were those in the Victorian era and the early part of the 20th century (which is when some say the true Victorian era lasted until, philosophically and morally). Exponents of UC say that the system will adjust for fluctuations in income; yet with the income bar set so low for so many people it will make little overall difference as even the highest combination of benefits and income will be less than people should be getting to manage well…
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So where is the saving on benefits then. and none of the infrastructure has been tested yet. what is going to be the impact on local councils when universal credit starts.
All we hear from the house on hill is, everything will be fine and the tax payer will be grateful.
somebody is going to see through all the smoke and mirrors soon. or when its all dumped on local council tax payer’s. Council tax..up…income tax..up.. MP’s perks….up..tempers…up..Votes…down
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I’d like to know exactly how much in benefits, that people are currently entitled to, goes unclaimed. I’ve met countless people in minimum wage jobs who have no clue that they may be able to get things like Working Tax Credit. I can’t be the only person who suspects the current system is purposely designed to discourage folk from applying.
So what are the chances, if their new “universal credit” ever sees the light of day, that the total benefits bill will actually go up? Once everyone gets everything they’re deemed to be due, that may just completely overwhelm the savings made from the tiny minority of illegitimate incapacity claimants. Cold comfort for all the trouble imposed, though.
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This goes part of the way to explain where some of the cash is going. Last years figures and a few others have gone missing as the gov change servers. but here is a quote from a government fraud paper, enjoy.
Fraud is a priority. The National Fraud Authority estimates that £21 billion is lost to fraud in the public sector each year. Of this, £15 billion is due to fraud in the tax system, £1.5 billion in the benefits system, £2.6 billion in central government and £2.1 billion in local government. The Government’s Counter Fraud Task Force, chaired by the Minister for the Cabinet Office, is overseeing a programme of work to tackle the estimated £21 billion lost to fraud in the public sector each year. It has already delivered £12 million in savings, by undertaking pilots using innovative technology to prevent and detect fraud. These pilots are expected to save £1.5 billion over the next four years.
Phil
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How much goes unclaimed? About £66 million (might be billion but I’m not sure) over the course of a parliament
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Sorry but Fact Checker is showing bias. The Prime Minister’s words may have been “factual” in the lawerly sense of the word (i.e. not an outright lie) but over the longer term the amount paid out to disabled people will inevitably go down as more and more people are caught by the loss of transitional protection due to a change in circumstances and the eventual erosion of the protection’s value due to inflation.
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As a disabled person living alone I will lose the severe disability premium of £58 per week under Universal Credit. Yes, they say there is transitional protection. This just means the money you get will not rise with inflation until it is at the same level as ESA, which even if one is miraculously lucky enough to make it to the Support Group, will still be much, much lower.
Disabled people living alone WILL be much worse off in the future. All the help that is provided by family is not available but neither will the extra cash be there to pay for extra care hours.
This article also leaves out the change from DLA to PIP, which is not included in Universal Credit. The government has already stated 20% of people will lose DLA/PIP, before a single assessment has actually been done. Thas another half a million disabled people who will be worse off. Not to mention the much changed criteria which will mean even severely disabled people will not meet the eligibility criteria.
The failure of the media to cover all the combined assaults on disabled people is a disgrace to a supposedly civilised country. And of course, who could fail to mention the total devastation being wreaked…
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The Government seem more interested in harming disabled people than helping them. An example was my mate who’s partially sighted and has never worked a day – not because he didn’t want to, but because he was always refused by employers. The guy has 2 A Levels (Computing, French) and still they didn’t want to know.
With this in mind, he tries to go to uni in his local town, no problems there – then the nasty DWP tell him he can’t keep his benefits to support him even though he never took out the Maintenance Loan. So, he goes from getting help with his housing and income to nothing, just because he wants to study. No wonder the disabled don’t want to work, who’d want to give a government money when they clearly don’t care about their disabled citizens?
Their idea of “back to work” is a joke too, they offered someone we know a lumberjack job when he’s totally blind! Another man, with a guide dog was offered a delivery job – and some mate of mine wanted to get a job stacking shelves in a certain supermarket and was told no, even though he can see enough to do it.
Enough of this nonsense, lets REALLY help people instead of leaving them feeling depressed, and…
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Between 2013 and 2016 everyone is expected to be re-assessed will those who are wrongly removed from DLA and later reinstated be counted as having undergone a change in circumstances? Will people who are to lose the ‘spare bedroom’ allowance be expected to calculate whether they will lose more by moving out than staying where they are?
Two police officers were recently murdered – if they had been severely injured would they be treated differently to members of the armed forces who, again, have received a guarantee from the PM? How about firemen injured in the course of duty, a traffic warden injured by an irate motorist and so on?
The cuts are a fiasco and anyone who thikks the DWP can keep all the medical and other sensitive issue safe is living in a very unreal world given that the ‘redacted’ PIP tender documents are already being ‘unredacted’ –
http://cynicism.me/2012/10/19/pip-tender-documents-unredacted-because-the-dwp-are-incompetent/
http://na-saighneain.com/DWP-Index.html#pip-tender
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When I was called up by the assessment Centre in Highgate London. as far as I’m concerned it was nothing but a fast, I had a 10 minuite assesement by a nurse who ask me what i do all day,looked at my burns and what mobility I have. Tapped away on her computer and i was done, it was like a conveyer belt for all. people were turning up in wheel chairs that one could easy identifiy the fact that they were disabled so why the hell were they called there what is going on.
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Disability premiums for those who are also on ESA as single people are going which is a very substantial amount
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You comment, understandably, that Mr Cameron “He quoted some figures today that we don’t recognise”. The figures seem to refer to the Disability Living Allowance for children, which will not be affected by the Universal Credit.
In the case of Universal Credit, Lord Freud explained last month to the Work and Pensions Committee that “We have maintained the amount of spending within the disabled community. We have adjusted how it is distributed. … With Universal Credit … you are liberated by the system in a way that the present categorisations simply do not allow. … Do not forget: the number of people who are disabled for mental health reasons is 42% of the total and it rises after a couple of years of inactivity to 68%. We are doing something more for people in this category, with Universal Credit, than has been done before, and I really think that is a liberating factor….” It follows that the priority within Universal Credit has not been to support those who are most severely disabled.
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David Cameron does not live on this planet. I have a friend who has mental health probs, extremely severe epilepsy, learning difficulties and lacks the ability to look after herself adequately. She claims all the usual benefits including high rate care in DLA.
I know she will lose her DLA if the government insist on these idiotic changes to benefits. I know (just like ESA) this pleb of a government (or as Tebbit calls them) a dog of a government, will have no intention of listening to anyone. But that’s ok – they will still claim all their expenses, have a mercedes/roller/bentley sat outside No 10 for most of the jerks that depart. Who pays for this? Thee and me!
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Disabled people r not the only ones suffering. Show some solidarity with others. People losing jobs, families homeless. My family of 2 working adults, 3 small kids recieve less money than singleton with dla mrc and low mob an they struggle. Both myself an daughter losin jobs nx yr, which means homes too. If u want support then support the wider community. I support ur concerns bt feel the ‘disabled campaign’ is too self focused. Best wishes
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As haughty and judgmental as ever I see, Gera… how about practicing what you preach and not acting as if WOMEN are the only ones who are oppressed, and not acting as if “All Men Are Potential Rapists / Abusers / Misogynists”, and so quit spouting your misandristic bile in your place of work (and trying to use it as your political pulpit) which is supposed to be a safe place for both MEN AND WOMEN who are mentally distressed and emotionally vulnerable. There’s a difference between being a feminist and being a sexist pig, and you should not be working in a mixed environment in my opinion, especially one that purports to support mentally distressed and emotionally vulnerable people. So I’m GLAD you’re losing your job AND your home; Karma can be a right bastard but she can be a really sweet bitch too.
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@Gera I believe all groups are suffering and actually because of the austerity cuts my friend over 70+lives a week are being lost. These are Mothers, Fathers, Brothers and Sisters. Who have either had their benefit wrongly taken away from them or they are being bullied by the system and placed into a system of slavery which in the future there is going to be even more court cases about.
Try not to fall into the same pigeon hole as the Government and become Judgmental like them, Don’t point the finger when you clearly don’t have the facts, as every comment is damaging and has some weight. Think of others and who it will hurt.
Our Group has witnessed every part of society supporting each other the only ones who are causing the conflict are the Government, by treating us like pit bulls in a dog fighting ring. They pitch us against each other and as a leader David Cameron shouldn’t be doing this.
Can’t get more solidarity than that x
So please go an research exactingly what the disabled folk of this country have actually done for the healthy folk of the UK you will find a world of love, support, friendship, trust and a group of people that just like you have been…
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*been let down, just like you
Our group runs a campaign for all, and it is full of solidarity I really can’t understand where you are looking. The campaign is for everyone claimants and employed. The only time there has ever been unrest is when the Gov has pit society against each other and that is wrong.
Try not to make posts similar to theirs as I have not witnessed any group claiming to be worse off by any means. All I have witnessed is many groups supporting each other and coming together to have some major questions answered by the Gov, and also to create change in the UK for all x
Solidarity Gera
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*Special thanks to Gera for providing me with the motivation to kickstart my blog which, due to writer’s block on my part, has been inactive for a long time*
Here’s a link to my latest blog post, “On an Ableist Comment by a Mental Health Suport Worker” http://wossnim.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/on-ableist-comment-by-mental-health.html
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Hi Emma
This debate is a very sore point and your right, we are all in this together. I agree that everyone suffers in life, in one form or another and circumstances can easily turn bad for anyone. As you know, I’ve had my issues and I did a lot of art about identifying with my circumstances and issues, alongside people, I “identified” as being like me. In other words people with mental health problems. Although after studying for a masters, I explored my feelings and perceptions as “other” in society. I realised identifying people as other and labeling as disabled using words as “we” “us” “them” ” etc was really added to marginalizing people as having experiences, lives, emotions and thoughts that where alien to a mythical normal society. I then realised with the help of great tution its better to create links and commonalities between people. I do agree with Gera, that too much focus on differences, I feel is not good. I think ideally, inclusiveness, tolerance, of everyone on every aspect of society. I feel in my experience people with similar backgrounds or experiences close ranks and exclude other groups and people. Gera has helped me a lot and I…
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Gera has helped me a lot and I know she understands and empathizes with vulnerable people. The world in my opinion is a painful place to be. if we can recognize we all live through pain and not damn each other we could understand and help each other.
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“If we can recognize we all live through pain and not damn each other we could understand and help each other”… I couldn’t agree more, Izzy. I should have mentioned in my blog post that it’s a very big assumption on Gera’s part that those of us who are campaigning against the Coalition’s agenda against the disabled do not recognise that others besides the disabled are suffering also. Not all of us in Disabled People Against The Cuts ARE actually disabled or unemployed, and some of us in DPAC have been active in other anti cuts campaigns as well. Such as the campaign against the bedroom tax for example, which, of course, affects many more people besides the disabled. Bedroom tax doesn’t affect me personally ‘cos I’m in lodgings and my accommodation is secure.
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Oh, and also the Cardiff Homeless Solidarity Campaign; the main people who are active in Disabled People Against The Cuts in Cardiff are just as active in THAT. So Gera PLEASE quit making assumptions; thank you.
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