FactCheck: Cameron slips up on ‘bedroom tax’
The government wants to call it the “spare room subsidy”. Almost everyone else calls it the bedroom tax – a move to cut housing benefit paid to some people who rent from a council or social landlord, depending on the number of bedrooms they have.
David Cameron took exception to the phrase “bedroom tax” at Prime Minister’s Questions today. It’s not a tax unless you’ve earned the money first, he said.
The government’s case for reform is that the state is spending enormous amounts of money on housing benefit, and there are too many people living in properties with empty bedrooms at a time when others are subject to overcrowding.
The average claimant will see their housing benefit cut by £14 per week. A minority – about 7 per cent of people – will face a cut of £31, according to Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) analysis.
Social housing tenants will then have a choice: take the hit or move to a smaller property. Either way, the government achieves one of its aims of reducing underoccupation or the housing benefit bill.
Labour have called the policy “callous” and “perverse” while the National Housing Federation, which represents social landlords, says it is “ill-thought”, “unfair” and “incompetent”.
David Cameron defended the policy in the House of Commons, saying some of the most vulnerable groups of people will be exempt from the cut. Is he right about that?
Quite right. The changes only apply to working-age claimants. And couples with only one partner over the state pension credit age will both be exempt.
Various other groups including the husbands and wives of armed forces personnel, and homeless people in temporary accommodation, are also exempt. For more details see this DWP factsheet.
[Update: It's taken us a little while to confirm this point with DWP, but as some readers have said, new claims made by couples where both haven't reached pension credit age will NOT be exempt from the "bedroom tax" AFTER the roll-out of Universal Credit, that is from October this year.
Couples already claiming housing benefit will not be affected now, or when Universal Credit begins, even if one partner is below pension age.
Many thanks to readers who spotted this.]
“People with severely disabled children are exempt.”
No. There’s no automatic exemption for disabled children.
In fact, not only is the government not making this blanket exception, it is actually fighting a legal challenge on the point from 10 disabled children who argue that the rule changes amount to discrimination.
Under the new rules, the full benefit will only be paid if under-16s of the same sex share a room, and under-10s will have to share regardless of gender. And the expectation is that this will apply to disabled youngsters too.
But local councils will have the discretion to waive the cut in regard to some disabled households. And there is a £30m hardship fund, the money targeted at preventing people whose homes have been adapted to help them cope with disability from being forced to move.
We don’t have much more detail on exactly what guidance has been issued to local authorities on who they spare from the cut, or how many disabled children are likely to be affected.
And the £30m has to be seen in the context of the total benefits cut disabled people are expected to take.
According to government impact assessments, 420,000 of the 660,000 people affected by the changes are disabled, and they will lose an average of £14 a week. That’s just under £306m a year.
So there is some money available and councils are expected to use some discretion, perhaps mitigating the impact for the most severely disabled, but there is no “exemption” for disabled children overall.
“People who need round-the-clock care are exempt.”
Wrong again. DWP has said that an extra bedroom is allowed if a disabled person has a live-in or overnight carer. But that doesn’t apply if the carer is also your partner or spouse.
If you are disabled and your wife is also your full-time carer, but needs to sleep in a different room, you will still face a benefit cut.
Again, you could be eligible for money from the hardship fund, but that doesn’t amount to an exemption to everyone who needs 24-hour care.
“We are spending £23bn on housing benefit. That is up by 50 per cent over the last decade.”
True. DWP spending tables show that we were spending just over £16bn in real terms in 2002/3 and will spend £23.8bn this year. That’s a rise of 48 per cent in ten years.
The verdict
The Prime Minister didn’t get it all wrong today. He was right on the scale of increases in housing benefit over the last decade. And he was right to point out that there are important exemptions from the changes, including pensioners.
But, while there are measures in place that are intended to protect disabled people, it’s wrong to suggest that severely disabled children or people who need round-the-clock care will definitely not be affected.
By Patrick Worrall



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?so PM Camacaroon lied through his teeth then?
i saw him do it – suave&greasy as the used~carsalesman image he’s so proud~of.
thanks FactCheck for reminding us of The Truth!
It IS Out~There!
~;-)x
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I can understand that housing benefit has gone up, but is that becuase a greater percentage of the population are claiming it, or working families are claiming it, or that the costs of private rents has gone up and what about the impact of selling off council houses on the state bill?
Fact check should look at why HB has gone up so sharply.
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Yes rents go up every year. My council tax rent has gone up this year again from £76.89 to £81.89.
We will be hit by the bedroom tax. We live in a 4 bed council house. me, disabled hubby, oldest daughter age 18, 2nd daughter aged 9 and youngest son aged 7 (8 in july.)
(Yes i have never done “PAID” work as i have always cared for my hubby who i met while i was at college. since meeting him his ilnesses have gone from just Epilepsy to being wrongly diagnosed 13 years ago with type 1 diabetes (now turns out he has type 2), bi-polar disorder type 1 with psychotic tendencies, high blood pressure, and anxiety disorders.)
We took a 4 bedroom house so i would have somewhere to sleep when hubby was particularly ill, now that “spare bedroom” is for my middle child who turns 10 at christmas.
We still have to pay the shortfall of £10.80 per week.
The discressionary housing fund only lasts for 12 weeks so it by no means a help to anyone as you will still have to find the money after this 12 week period.
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Yes but he didn’t clarify where those extra billions in HB claims have come from. In 1997 there were 5 million HB claimants and now there are 5.5 yet the bill has increased 10 billion pounds. Could it be due to the fact that the private housing benefit bill has increased by 37% from May 2010 to Feb 2012, could it be that 93% of all new HB claims are from working people since May 2010? He also failed to mention that 3 billion of that increase in the HB bill has been since he came to power and that they anticiipate another nearly 4 billion increase by 2015. It’s all smoke and mirrors, blame the feckless HB tenant rather than low wages and an unfettered private rental sector
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I am a fulltime carer for my wife and daughter and have 2 other dependant children.i used to work,my daughter was in hospital for years,my wife was already disabled and working part time. We were under immense pressure and my wifes health became a lt worse,in the end I became a fulltime carer.Instead of a salary,I now get carers allowance and benefit to make up the £58 per week,which meant recieving housing benefit. On christmas Eve due to the government reforms the housing benefit was cut by £15 a week,I had to fill in a discretionary hardship allowance form.It will run out on monday,the form asks for proof of arrears and evidence of potential eviction. it classes my wifes disability living allowance as income,which I have stated is not,it is for the extra costs of disability.The form is is very explicit,as though you are debtors,it is very demeaning.also been told it is not to be used again. would move else where ,except there isnt anywhere else.and yes,my wife sleeps in a hospital bed,has a special chair ,bath lift,my daughter has seizures,my other daughter is attending birmingham childrens hospital as she has got all the signs of my wifes hereditary condition.so all this…
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Any chance you can tell me how much rent has gone up in the same period? It there was a rent cap, wouldn’t it be reasonable to assume housing benefit costs would level off?
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There isn’t going to be any rent cap. Private landlords can charge what they want with no body assessing whether it is a fair rent or not and in regards to social housing rental sector, this Govt has bought in what it calls affordable rents. It sounds good but what it actually translates as is this; ‘The affordable rent model encourages social landlords to charge new tenants up to 80% of the market rent, rewarding them for doing so with a grant from the Homes and Communities Agency’ So social housing rents will inevitably increase for many people and there is more on this in this article below
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/mar/05/social-rents-increases-break-up-communities
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Rents have increased around 75% where I am (from around £200/month/room to around £350/month/room), although there’s been other housing pressures on the area that make that higher than I would expect on average.
Ultimately, house prices have been racing upwards, and rents are then driven up by a combination of landlords needing to recoup higher purchase prices, and people who would previously have bought being kept in the rental market.
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So. Does Cameron not know what is going on? Or does he lie deliberately? At least one of these must be true!
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Cameron not only understands what is going on AND what he is author to, —but INTENDS to destroy anyone he perceives as weaker than him, in particular anyone in financial need, he sees as a ‘nuisance’ and if he has his way many more people will die as a result of his evil policies.
Furthermore, as far as he is concerned the entire so-called working class must be obliterated.
I am ashamed of this Government. They are a horror story and a very very big embarrassment to people of the UK.
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This foul and unfair policy will do the very thing that Conservatives claim they have always been against, government interference in the personal lives of ordinary people. The hardship and turmoil caused will hurt so many and make people feel as if they are under personal attack from a government that is meant to be there to protect them. The ideological war against those on benefits may bring short-term gratification to those who resent paying their taxes and who only ever see taxation in personal terms but the long term consequences will be life-changing and life-destroying, for those who will be forced out of their homes or forced to go without to pay this ideological bedroom tax. David Cameron can’t claim to be a One-Nation Conservative when he divides people into winners and losers like this.
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You can add the lies above to the list below. Cameron must be the most dishonest PM and that is saying something.
He said NHS spending was rising year on year – ONS proved this wrong
He said “we are paying down the debt” – ONS figures show debt has risen over £200bn under this government
He continues to say the deficit has been reduced by 25% – this was the figure at 31st March 2012. The deficit this financial year has risen again making this claim false also.
He says the government has taken the hard decisions in order to cut public spending – spending is up year on year by 2.5% (broadly flat after inflation), what has been cut is public investment.
Personally I do not believe anything he says.
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Was there a time or occasion that you can recall when David Cameron actually told the truth about something. The man is now and has always been a liar.
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He also failed to mention that when UC comes in That pensioners with a younger spouse who is not of pensionable age will be liable for Bedroom Tax. The last people he wants to upset are the grey vote. Bad news, he has !.
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Pensioners are exempt now, but as soon as Universal Credit comes in, many pensioners will be hit by the Bedroom Tax. It will apply to couples where one partner is a pensioner, when any change in their circumstances means they have to be reassessed for UC. See this post for the details: http://speye.wordpress.com/2013/03/01/pensioners-hit-by-the-bedroom-tax-from-april-and-forgotten-dhp-applicants/
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Cameron will find the “BEDROOM TAX” as TOXIC as Thatcher found her “POLL TAX” was. he LIES & Speaker Bercow lets him get away with it.
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Pensioners will not be exempt when(if) Universal Credit commences if their partner is not yet of pensionable age. This commences on 29th April with the Pathfinder projects, so mark that claim as fiction too please.
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Proof that Cameron knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
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On exemption for pensioners, mixed-age couples – where one is a pensioner and the other is not – who make a new claim for help for housing costs under the all-in-one Universal Credit benefit – will be hit by the bedroom tax.
Source: http://www.housing.org.uk/policy/welfare_reform/welfare_reform_news/bedroom_tax_fact_check.aspx
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The most vulnerable will be forced to move more often, with all the associated costs of such upheavals, both monetary and mentally. Friends left behind, neighbourhoods broken up, schools changed, doctors, dentists etc etc the list goes on. The effects on young children of all the moving will show up in society at some point too. Many of the most vulnerable are being viciously attacked using bedroom tax as a weapon.
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The rise in housing benefit could be better addressed by reintroducing fair rents and regulation of private sector rent market. There is a well reported shortage of smaller social housing so people won’t be able to move.
Also there is no minimim size for the bedroom children have to share.
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Further to the bedroom tax, check the housing act 1985 with the local council as I have been told
that if a room is used as a bedroom and is 63sq feet or less it is not classed as a bedroom and not assessed.
No doubt this loophole will be closed.
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i live in shildon co durham and there are about 20 one bedroom properties none of witch are vacant so i have no option to rent a two bedroom house if i was given the option to move to a one bedroom property i would take it why am i being punished because there is not any property for me to down size to
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Who cares. It isn’t just the Bedroom tax that is doing the damage, it’s the ‘perfect storm’ of cuts all falling like an avalanche from this April. The Prime Minister is an idiot who doesn’t actually KNOW anything about his OWN POLICIES. What is worse is the sheer expense of people desperately trying to DOWNSIZE. There’s ZERO MONEY for removals, carpets and all the usual stuff people have to take care of. Personally I have thirty-five years of possessions and things that I have worked hard to afford and it would take me three months to clear those alone. What is made so much worse is that it plays hell with every other aspect of my life, because it means having to uproot myself from my community, friends and family and start all over again: not to mention having to start a new tenancy agreement, move every utility and change my bank account details and if all of that wasn’t enough to bear, then there’s the DWP and having to make a new claim – which completely upturns the fact I have only just been able to settle my present claim! I just don’t see the point in bothering trying to move to a non-existent one-bedroomed coffin- because, let’s face it – that is where these…
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Accepting the fact that Housing benefit has risen over the past decade without also stating the facts of how much private rents have increased and how many more private rented properties are now subsidised by this benefit is only adding to the government agenda of demonising the poor sick and disabled.
There should be no cap or #BEDROOMTAX without considering the first options of capping rents and building more council house stock for rent
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excremental Ministers and their odious Leaders want us all to go! I thought only the Nazis would ever dream of this policy of ‘lebensraum’ (literally ‘Living Space’ – it’s the SAME policy only on a much smaller scale: for ‘Jews’ read ‘Unemployed.’) It seems I was wrong…
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Cathy/Patrick,
“Spare room subsidy” ey?
Bit like the corruption of “Poll Tax” when they mutilated it into “Council Tax.” Or changed “killed by his own side” to “friendly fire” – I am still to hear what is “friendly” about it.
Still the same old rip off whatever phony Newspeak jargon they use.
Let’s hope C4 News never falls to those depths…….Oh hang on: there’s still “military intervention” for “invasion”……..
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Two quick points. The government has issued general DHP guidance to local authorities though all LAs can choose to interpret tis and have done so hence the picture will be different nationally. Many such as Manchester are prioritising foster carers which is not surprising as if they dont pay DHPs then it will cost the LA more in spot payment for foster carers and come from social services budget
Secondly, the mixed-age pensioner couple (one over state pension qualifying age nd one under) will be affected by bedroom tax when Universal Credit comes in – mainly in October though in April in the 4 pilot areas of Oldham, Tameside, Warrington and Wigan
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Make the bankers pay the money back to this country,target the wealthy pop stars acters ect for tax money and dont allow them to pay less tax than a cleaner, make Amazon,google and starbucks and the rest pay taxes,stop politicians robbing us blind. thats just for starters. that kind of would make enough money that could build social houses,that were sold by Maggie Thatcher. throwing folk out their homes because they are poor,unemployed,working poor, sick and disabled is the answer. one that believes that has got real serious issues.
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What I would like to know is what proportion of the £23.8 billion is paid to social housing landlords, like councils and housing associations and what is paid to private landlords. Not just the cash amount but how many tenants each has.
Knowing this, then people will be able to see where all that money is going and where is the bet place to place caps to reduce the housing benefit bill
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The problem is down to high rents set by buy to let landlords who are getting a bit too greedy and exploiting people for their own gain. What kind of an incentive is it to anyone to work on the minimum wage when half their wages are going on lining the pockets of some property developer? The entire system is fundamentally unfair and this poorly thought out tactic is only going to end up costing the tax payer more as people are made homeless and then subsequently end up in homeless hostels and private sector leasing rentals. there is no easy solution to this problem, but punishing vulnerable people who want to work but can’t find a job is not the way to go about it.
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CLAIM: Pensioners are exempt from the bedroom tax
FACT: This is true of most pensioners. But mixed-age couples – where one is a pensioner and the other is not – who make a new claim for help for housing costs under the all-in-one Universal Credit benefit – will be hit by the bedroom tax.
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The official wording from the DWP regarding exemption for non resident overnight carers is vague and the qualifying criteria is being interpreted differently from one local authority to the next. This is creating a postcode lottery for what is supposed to be a nationwide exemption.
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And the reason for the huge increase in the HB bill? An assumption that HB would pick up the tab for funding the higher rents needed to support the private sector loans that have increasingly funded social housing developments since 1988 (as public subsidy has been cut) AND an unregulated private rented market with soaring rents (and benefit support claims) as demand outstrips supply. All party policy has been to subsidise the tenant not the home for years and let market forces prevail. And now the most vulnerable are paying the price. Public investment in new homes makes economic sense and is the only answer. If only The Treasury would get the point too.
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Another attempt at pulling the wool over peoples eyes and yet again showing utter contempt for most vulnerable in society. Lies and more lies being told under the guise of misinformation.
This government really does beggar belief, as long as they get their 5% reduction in tax then all is OK at the feeding trough.
They need to remeber that the British Public WILL remember come polling day!
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> “And couples with only one partner over the state pension age will both be exempt.”
I’m not clear on this, but my understanding is that this will be only the case until October 2013, when Universal Credit is implemented.
From that point, I think both partners will have to be over the state pension age in order for them to be exempt from the bedroom tax.
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What a blessing that the homeless are exempt. I’m sure they will be relieved at not having to worry about their extra room…
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Have just realised that does read a little strangely! – of course it’s homeless people living in temporary accommodation and claiming housing benefit, not people living on the streets….
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Surely the “spending table” on housing benefit will show a relative rise because rents go up over a decade, and with the government allowing landlords to charge what they will, no wonder. Also, not charging pensioners bedroom tax is NOT helping the housing situation. I know someone who’s 70 and lives alone in a 3 bed house. She doesn’t want to move because she’s been there forever and brought her children up there, and is too old to cope with the upheaval of moving. A lot of pensioners must be in the same situation. They could live another 20 years there. So its not about helping the housing situation, is it, if all those 2 and 3 bed houses aren’t being distributed to families in need. They can’t wait 20 years. its about the sheer greed and power of this sick twisted government. Take take take from the most vulnerable.
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He wants to read the act that he is supposed to protect”The Social Securities Act”
In it the government has a legal obligation to ensure that children disabled and the unemployed have sufficient money to live and local government have a legal responsibility to house the above..
Where his bedroom tax falls over is there are not enough single flats or homes for the ones who he will force out of them homes so councils will have to house them in bed and breakfast and hotels.
but what can they do with disabled people who have to have 24 hours care and need assistance?
This will cost the government more cash than it saves even I can count and it is not a saving at all.
Cap the private landlords rents at the same price as he is trying to charge us £14 for each room occupied plus a small bonus to take benefits claimants. So people who live in a three bedroom house he the landlord gets £20 per room and £14 per person not to exceed £100 per week.
Then all rents would be the same and the bill would reduce!
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The 48 percent increase in housing benefit over a decade is presumably a nominal and not inflation adjusted figure? The real increase is presumably much much lower!
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No it’s in real terms – apologies, I should have made that clear and have done so now. Thanks for the comment, Rebecca.
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The reason that the housing benefits costs have gone up so much is that the minimum wage is so low that even working people can’t afford to pay the rents! There are also not enough single and ground level houses or flats for the poor souls who have to move, (me being one), so we are forced to pay for a room we all need occasionally, for social contact with family and friends, or sometimes when you are ill and need some one to stay. Everyone who has a permanent tenancy should not be BLAMED for having a spare room! People will take in lodgers, and the vulnerable will be in danger!!!! Imagine how you would feel having a complete stranger in your HOME, it sickens me,,,
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So money IS available for people with disabled children. Fact.
Who is to check the fact checker??
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Thanks for the comment, Trevor. Yes, some money is available, but no, there’s no blanket exemption. Sorry if that’s not clear from the article.
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So people with outside full time care ARE exempt? fact
Why should a spouse need a spare room?
Good old socialist Ch 4
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The Truth is out there somewhere.
What Cameron, deliberately did not say to further his “All benefit recipients are scroungers agenda”, is that the majority of people in receipt of Housing Benefit are in WORK.
Nor did he say that if you rent privately, under-occupancy is NOT penalised.
Nor did he point out that the government have known from the outset that there were not enough one bed social housing for people to down-size to. They have also known for over a year that two thirds of all households affected by the Bedroom Tax have at least one disabled person in it.
Lastly his definition of “tax” is incorrect.
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Are you sure you are right about pensioners… I thought from October mixed age couples where one is of pension age, one isnt – wont be exempt?
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Thanks Phil. Am clarifying this now and will update…
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Amazing ! the group that lives in the most underoccupied houses are pensoners -yet they are excempt from the tax! Now that is really going to help balance the problam,isn it?!!!
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Cameron was either knowingly misleading the parliament stating that families of disabled children are exempt from bedroom tax or he is not aware of what policies he is implementing.
If the first option was to be true is he not breaking ministerial code ?
If the second option was to be true should he not consider his position?
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I would like to make a point disabled people who require over night carer staying are only exempt if it is a professional paid carer if your friends and family members help with your care needs you are not exempt.
The thing that I dont understand is last year the courts ruled it was illegal for the cap on private rents but they implemented anyway they lost the workfare case but are still implenting it what makes this government think they are above the law. And if they loose the present legal action are they still just going to ignore the courts rulings and proceed with it anyway.
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If the government have recognised such a shortage of social housing requierment, surly it would have been more prudent not to have given low interest rate loans to the banks in support of home puchases. Rather built councils houses to rent, easing the 5 million on the waiting list. The government can not make laws that contravenes the Human Rights Act, Artical 8 protects family life, this law wrecks family life.
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The underoccupation charge exempts people who have reached state pension credit qualifying age, not state pension qualifying age as referred to in this article. For men, these two qualifying ages are different and so the distinction is important.
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Is housing benefit up by 50% because there is less social housing these days and people are having to rent from the more expensive private sector? Also, when you pit over a million people out of work since the last election then surely that will also have an impact on housing benefit claims.
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Most of the housing benefit bill goes to the private (Tories) sector ,x council properties that are being let for at least twice what council rent is ,making off like bandits ,when I first heard this bedroom tax was coming my first reaction was SEGREGATION,shocking decision by a government that’s doomed ..
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WRONG. ‘It’s not a tax unless you’ve earned the money first”.
I am ill through no fault of my own. I not only worked and paid my NI for this eventuality but also looked after three very ill people in my family, 2 with cancer and one with Alzheimer’s, which saved the country THOUSANDS.
I use this example. If you have a house with contents insurance and something happens to require a claim, you naturally pick up the phone and call your insurance. You do NOT expect them to come to you door and say you cannot claim because you are a SCROUNGER.
If they did this you would SUE for taking money under false pretences.
I understand that perhaps the benefit system needed to be changed – but to do this to the poorest and sickest in society BEFORE addressing the excesses of the richest in society is MORALLY WRONG.
Also morally wrong is workfare. Not only is it slavery in another form – what company will EMPLOY AND PAY people when they can get workers for free. I wish to raise the question will companies, who make people redundant in hard times, just go to the government for free workers and gain PURE profits, also effectively making unemployment WORSE. Is this seriously…
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Does that mean people on benefits don’t have to pay VAT
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I’ve lost count of the times I’ve moved house/flat in my life. I’ve rented and I’ve bought. I’ve paid what I could afford. I’ve moved when necessary. I’ve just got on with it.
I know people get attached to their homes, but we can’t afford to encourage people to live in social housing that provides more space than they need, while others are living in houses that are too small for their families. Something has to give!
There’s always a focus on how bad it will be for some very particular people in very particular cases (who could probably get help through the hardship fund if necessary anyway). What about discussing ways to make the system work better for all concerned, most of whom do not fall into the worse case scenarios that some people talk of as if they’re the norm.
Local councils could make it easy to house/flat swap, for instance, by running a kind of estate agency where people who want to move can advertise their desire to do so. Councils could work together to cover larger areas.
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Interesting comment…
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The majority of social housing are bid for now so the councils have handed over the reponsiblity to separate firms.
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David Cameron and his front bench have never been on the dole in there but make Decisions that affect the poorest in society with little understanding what people are going thought in most case Tory MPs have had the best education most people could only dreams of politics must change people have had enough
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DJ,
You seem to think, just like the Tories, that people are a commodity. Housing associations already have social housing swap schemes.
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One point that doesn’t seem to have been considered…
How dare any government dictate how a married couple choose to sleep? If, for example, he snores and she fidgets, they might reasonably need to sleep in separate rooms to get a good night’s sleep.
And a good night’s sleep is really important when you’ve got to be up early to head off to Poundland to provide a day’s free labour.
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One would also think that all Local Authorities have dozens of one bedroom properties for people to ‘swap’ into?
I totally agree that people have to be realistic in their expectations when renting a property, but where are they to go? Into private sector accommodation, costing 3 times as much, still paid for by Housing Benefit?
And a share of £390 million “hardship fund” to cover “six per cent of
the total savings expected from the Housing Benefit reforms over the Spending Review
period, or around £200 per household affected.” That’s £200 in total, not per year.by the way.
Source
http://www.official-documents.gov.uk/document/hc1213/hc06/0681/0681.pdf
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DJ, yes they do have swap schemes I know, I am on one! The problem is no where to move to! All the one bed properties have been snapped up by people already on the swap list, no more left for the hundreds/thousands wanting to move. I am being aether forced to move to private housing with “NO security of tenure” or pay what I thought was £14 pr week? But now I have just had a letter from my H/A saying my rent IS going up in April by £5 pr week! It will go up year on year, when will it end? When we have all starved to death or died of cold!!
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So will people in crowded accommodation get a rebate? I very much doubt it!
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The rich dont want to pay, some others want it all free, think this country which has been more socialist then the USSR has now found out it cannot afford everthing.
The system is broke as everybody is trying to fiddle it.
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Just one question I’d like to ask DC – where are all of these smaller properties that is supposed to be an option if you don’t want to pay this tax? Almost none I suspect in the council / social housing stock, and a low amount I would have thought in private stock (but probably a higher rent for a one bed private than say a three bed council, so costing more overall).
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wot amazes me,not once did spinless cameron mention that he has allowed hundreds of thousands into this country to claim benefits and hb,,and now he,s crying because hb is costing a fortune,erm well if you let hundreds of thousands into any country to claim benefits then yea its gunna cost more,isnt it easier to pull out the eu,save all those billions cameron sends out the country and put it to make new homes,its sad to think that thousands will lose there homes and this goverment will allow children to be turfed into the street,wot kind of goverment does that
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Totally agree with this comment, like ave said (!!!!!!!! STOP LETTING ALL AND EVERYONE INTO THIS COUNTRY. TAKING OUR HOUSES AND BENEFITS THAT WERE MEANT FOR THE NEEDY OF THIS COUNTRY. ie DISABLED , THE LESS WELL OFF!!
CERTAINLY CARERS WHO NEED TO SLEEP IN AN EXTRA BEDROOM. HOW CAN ALL OF THESE IMMIGRANTS TAKE OUT OF THE POT WHAT THEY HAVEN’T PUT IN. THE SOONER WE STOP LETTING THE EU TELL US WHAT TO DO WHEN THEY HAVE DIFFIFERENT RULES TO US AND TAKE BACK PIOWER OF OUR COUNTRY THE BETTER
As for David Cameron after having a disabled child himself he shoiws no compassion at all,
but then again he had the funds to make his son had everything he possibly needed.
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Everyone look on the bright side its now warmer weather when they cut off the gas you wont notice
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The housing benefit bill has increase so much because 1) today’s rents are extortionate; and 2) wages are too low. There you have a toxic combination. People can’t afford to live so need housing benefit to top up their wages.
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THEY WANT PEOPLE TO REBEL AND GET ANGRY SO THEY CAN BRING IN MARSHAL LAW!!
We the people own the government so why dont we take the power back they dont deserve it. They are killing us slowly and laughing!
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And if the government wants to fix the housing benefit crisis, then they need to cap rents and bring in a living wage. But no, they won’t do that. They’d rather charge tenants, who are either on low wages, carers, disabled, or unable to find work, all through no fault of their own.
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Cathy/Patrick,
Just think what the reaction would be if a New Labour government introduced this kind of measure.
One guess as to what you would get in the Daily Mail/Sun/Telegraph/Express/Star/Times…………..
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Couple of points as a single guy, age 55, been ill for over a year and now working on low income especially as the Governments new changes to referral legislation means two thirds of my income has gone as I’m not allowed to do my business that I’ve done for the past 12 years.
1 – if there is a place to move to, and there isn’t for me, who pays the moving costs, redecoration and associated costs and troubles.
2 – Post moving you have a new tenancy agreement and if I wanted to buy my property, under the scheme, I can’t for 5 years, whereas I can now.
3 – As no property is available can I move to a 1 bedroom private rented and will the Government pay the 3 or more times higher bills until I can afford it.
4 – Will the Government re-instate the Window Tax so the well off can contribute.
5 – Will the Government introduce food vouchers as unemployed single people, after paying gas and electric (costs rising), water (costs rising), telephone /internet (needed to find work), TC licence and bedroom tax there is no money left.
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Someone mentioned the hardship fund… they are scrapping that too. This is all about money not easing the housing problem. This Govt haven’t a clue about their own policies or about life in the real world. Get a Job there are none that pay enough for a decent living.In fact there are no proper jobs out there. they will either cause the people to rebel with violent consequences or they will be kicked out of office at the next election and every by- election in between. They are already embarrassing the country with the need for food banks.
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Reality check for single person on JSA
Income £ 71
Maintenance 5.00
TV Licence 2.90
Gas 20.00
Elec 22.00
Water 3.60
Phone 7.00
Internet etc. 9.50
Bedroom Tax 11.00
Total expense 81.00
Balance -10.00 – no food, no clothing, no living and no money to find
work
I am not saying that living on benefits should be easy, nor am I saying it should be taken forgranted. However, sometimes people have no choice. Cameron and the others, on large incomes and who have never been in a poverty situation have no idea of reality.
Lastly. Those in poverty, unemployed, with disabled, carers, ill, elderly etc. are at home far more than those working, therefore, bills INCREASE living costs INCREASE.
Maybe Cameron has a hidden agenda of killing off the poor from starvation, related illness and suicide as they can’t cope. This would increase the housing stock and decrease the welfare bill.
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pardon me if I’m wrong but when you receive your letter of entitlement to benefit does it not state that the LAW states that this is the amount of money you must by law need to live on so what happens if they take £14.00 off that money you need, therefore you are being underpaid according to law or is there one law for the rich and another for the poor.
Another point I could make is when cameron took office he swore to get all corporate tax dodgers and people with offshore accounts who are all evading tax, I suppose he forgot that included him and approx. 75% of the cabinet ministers. Mind you chasing his fellow cabinet ministers for money wouldn’t sit right haven’t heard him mention this since he made the statement ” we are all in this together” Just rhetoric he’d rather rip off the most vurnerable minions who can’t fight back
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More like down size.the British to move more illegal immigrant family’s into our houses they have more rights than us
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Students will NOT be exempt. the governemnt are lying by discussing the changes under Housing benefit rules. When Universal Credit comes in it will all change- next month! Students who study away from home will only be exempt if ther away for less than 6 months per year. seeing as uni/college course are 9-10 months long it will be an impossibility. under HB rules they are exempt if they are away for less than 52 weeks.
this will mean that to go to uni students will not only take on debt they will also make themselvres homeless and their parents may have to move http://www.housing.org.uk/policy/welfare_reform/bedroom_tax.aspx
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You have a link to a fact sheet in your blog. Could you tell me where you got this from? It say wives and husbands of army personnel wont be affected… I don’t believe this to be true. It is not in the regulations…..
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It’s from DWP’s press office.
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Excellent article by Joe Halewood, everyone affected by the bedroom tax needs to read this,
If every tenant appeals the bedroom tax will go – Direct action is needed
http://speye.wordpress.com/2013/03/11/if-ever-tenant-appeals-the-bedroom-tax-will-go-direct-action-is-needed/
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it beggers beleive that although this poor greedy goverment now there is 1 smaller home avaliable to on average 47 people who need this smaller home that this man can evict children from there homes,there schools there friends because parents just cant afford to be benefit capped by 1% per wk and yet pay 14% per wk back,how on earth is this going to work,im a single dad with a 4 yr old son,i have 2 children from a past relaitionship which i fought in crt for 3 yrs to get overnight contact yet now i have to pay for my own children to stay with me,the fact that it will cost more for this goverment to pay all those who may get evicted to live in private houseing will cost far more than they hope to gain is just stupid ,so its going to cost more,not less how on earth did this goverment gain no10 when they havent a single clue wot there doing,
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Shouldn’t also forget that along with the bedroom tax, people on benefits with the new system of Government not paying community tax directly and local councils paying only a part of them, have more to pay out with no additional income. In my case it’s £1.68 a week. Does not sound much but its all cost to those that do not have any money.
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What about cottage industries?
We have not long started our own business working from home.
One of our spare rooms is being used as a work room. As we have only just started trading, obviously there is no profit showing yet. In April we are going to have to find an extra £100 towards our rent. This is going to put us out of business before we’ve even begun.
The government are telling people to get jobs and work but like us, the more we try to do something, the more we get kicked back down. Anyone knows that when you start a business it takes a while to start showing any sort of profit and this bedroom tax is definately going to stop us working if we have to move into a 1 bed. Where will we work from without a spare room. Another 2 people will be on the scrap heap signing on in a few weeks. Its disgusting !!!!
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I think since DC has been elected to lead the country, WE ( the nation at least ) elected him, therefore HE IS OUR EMPLOYEE.
I think WE should FORCE DC to live in a typical Housing Association home, with JSA, or ESA, for TWO WEEKS MINIMUM so that he can see first hand how life is.
In those TWO WEEKS, he can not bring any decent clothes or shoes or other ‘nice’ items with him to ease his living standard. He must use public transport to get around, all of which should be funded by his benefit allowance. Ideally, to highlight a lack of public transport for all, he should NOT be placed near any public transport ( thus replicating the situation many rural people are in as this causes greater problems than for those in large towns and cities with good public transport infrastructure ), His food shopping must only be done after he has paid the weekly basics of the yearly living costs of water rates, TV licence, council tax ( if he has to pay any ), and an equivalent to the weeks worth of heating and lighting costs. If he is to be ‘fit and well’, he needs to factor in the costs of looking for a job under the job seeking criteria. If he is to be disabled and looking for work, he…
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It seems that most politicians are either lawyers or accountants, few of which are capable of thinking an understanding in real business terms.To create growth you need people to spend.you need people to work and pay taxes.Sanctioning people at the lowest rung of the system when out of work stops them from finding work which then stops them from paying taxes.a proportion of those will end up further in debt.this will delight those people who lend money, banks included.
No one seems to mind the ever growing bubble that councils have to fund…civil servants and local government officers to name a few…retiring on 2/3rds of their final salary for life, an ever increasing burden met by increases in local council taxes.
Lets get everyone focusing on scroungers not on the real issues why this country is heading for its biggest disaster.
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