FactCheck: are public sector pensions unaffordable?
“The cost to the taxpayer is going up”
Francis Maude MP, Radio 4′s Today programme, June 30, 2011
Cathy Newman checks it out
Ministers have spent the week ducking verbal missiles thrown by the unions over pension reform.
Their biggest defensive weapon? The Labour peer Lord Hutton. His report into the future of public sector pensions has given them the cover they needed to increase the retirement age and make public servants pay more towards their retirement.
But Francis Maude was left rather exposed by his claim this morning that the cost of public sector pensions is increasing. That doesn’t tally with what the Hutton report says. So FactCheck wants to know: has the Cabinet Office Minister even read it?
The analysis
Francis Maude pushed back against the picket line today, telling unions that public sector pensions were unaffordable.
Using the Hutton Report on pensions as a shield, he echoed David Cameron’s warning that the system is “going broke”.
“Well I’ll just quote what Lord Hutton said when he did his report, he said very clearly that the status quo is not tenable,” Mr Maude said.
He insisted that “the cost to the taxpayer is going up”, even when presented with a graph in the Hutton Report that shows a fall in the long-term cost of public sector pensions as a share of GDP.
The Cabinet Office told FactCheck that Mr Maude didn’t specify that costs were rising as a share of GDP. But they are splitting hairs. He was asked directly why the costs were falling in terms of GDP, and his reply was that the cost to the taxpayer is going up.
The Cabinet Office and the Treasury were keen to point out to FactCheck the now infamous GDP graph (below) has been taken out of context.
The Treasury insisted that Lord Hutton himself has admitted it’s a “rough guess” based on Government Actuary Department projections published in 2009, and on a number of assumptions about economic performance and public sector salaries.
But it’s good enough for the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), which said: “The first issue that the Hutton Commission Interim Report stresses is that public sector pensions in the UK are affordable in the long run, in the sense that pension payments are set to fall as a share of national income over the next 50 years.”
And Lord Hutton’s Commission said it preferred to measure the cost of pensions as a percentage of GDP, because: “This can give a good sense of the share of national income that has to be devoted to public service pensions expenditure.”
The offending graph: the cost of public sector pensions as a percentage of GDP
(Source: GAD projections for IPSPC and IPSPC analysis/Hutton Report March 2011)
FactCheck doubled-checked it with the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), who did some fresh number crunching and told us: “In a nutshell, total public service pension expenditure as a share of GDP is forecast to remain broadly flat.”
The OBR’s maths shows it sliding gently from 1.77 per cent of GDP in 2010-11 to 1.76 per cent in 2015. There is a small rise in 2012-13, which the OBR puts down to GDP having a “bumpy ride” over the next few years.
What’s more, the National Audit Office (NAO) and the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) also told FactCheck that they do not expect the cost of public sector pensions to rise as a share of GDP.
Both the PAC and the NAO pointed FactCheck to a House of Commons report published last month. It found that the Government’s estimate of the cost of pensions “has reduced substantially”.
The report said: “The Treasury expects the cost of pension payments to retired civil servants, NHS staff and teachers to stabilise over the next 50 years at around 1 per cent of GDP.”
Why is it going down? “Because of the changes made in 2007 and 2008″, the House of Commons’ cross-party report concluded.
The IFS also credits the reforms made under the former Labour Government to increase the national pensions age from 60 to 65.
But it points out that the Coalition Government’s move to index pensions in line with CPI rather than RPI has helped pull down costs too.
Public sector pensions have long been out of sync with the private sector, and the Government argues that it is only “fair” to readdress the balance.
However, the public sector argues that Mr Maude is leading it in a “race to the bottom”.
The Public and Commercial Services Union (PCS) told FactCheck today: “We accepted the last Government’s arguments in 2007 because they were fairer but to say that (the taxpayer) can’t go on paying these pensions shows the Government hasn’t got a grip of the details.”
Mr Cameron has insisted that public sector pensions will remain among the very best, and as FactCheck found earlier this week, he’s right – even after reforms they will still be better off than the private sector.
Professor Philip Booth, Editorial Director at the Institute of Economic Affairs, told FactCheck: “Affordability is not the main issue. This is just lazy argumentation by politicians. The important issues are inter-generational equity and the importance of public sector employers and employees paying the full cost of non-salary benefits, such as pensions, at the time those benefits accrue.”
Cathy Newman’s verdict
The Tories were delighted to have a Labour Peer fighting alongside them to cut the cost of public sector pensions. But they appear to be treating Lord Hutton’s report like a pick’n'mix counter, devouring the cola bottles and leaving the liquorice.
Francis Maude either conveniently forgot – or had never seen in the first place – the table showing the cost of public sector pensions declining. That undermines one of the Government’s main arguments, that the country can’t afford to give public servants such a comfortable retirement.
Ministers would have done much better to focus on the inequality of preserving generous pensions for employees in the public sector, when their private sector colleagues are so much worse off in retirement.
The analysis by Emma Thelwell



There are 41 comments on this post
“Hello Francis? David here: listen, Nick and I have had a chat, and we think we’re going to have to give you the push over this. Your interview on ‘Today’ this morning was the final straw: letting Serwotka AND Evan Davies point out the huge flaws in our policy was just not good enough. But don’t worry – when Michael Gove blots his copybook again, we can just switch you over, ok?”
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Your fact check missed a biggie:
Hutton’s graph INCLUDES the reduction to CPI uprating (from RPI uprating), although not the increased contribution rates.
As this is one the main sources of union complaint, it is inaccurate for the graph to presented as the “status quo”.
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Expressing the cost as a % of GDP is misleading. We do not know the assumptions that have gone into these calculations. What investment return has been assumed? What mortality? What inflation? How many more or less teachers are assumed? Costs of a final pay scheme are UNLIKELY to become more affordable over time – with mortality rates decreasing (ie people are living longer).
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where is Malcolm Tucker when you need him eh???…..
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This should not be about dragging public sector pensions down to the lowest common denominator to satisfy the angst of the private sector. This and any future government should change the entire pensions machine to enable all to achieve pension equality through investment without unnecessary restriction. Holding those in retirement on low incomes is a crime!
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A very thorough rebuttal of the government’s case for raiding public sector pensions.
Could you now look at the fact that 150% more is spent on tax relief for the pensions of the top 1% of earners than the public sector?
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What’s the relative GPD got to do with it? My gas bill is going up. If I get a pay rise it doesn’t mean my gas bill is going down. This is the sort of sophistry Gordon Brown used to use to argue that the debt was going down because even though it was going up it wasn’t going up as fast as national income.
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It would have been interesting to draw a comparison between a person who has been paying into a private pension on your programme with a public sector worker on a comparable salary.Given the very poor returns by the likes of equitable life and others, it may have revealed something spectacular about the other side ie those of us relying on a private pension in our retirement.
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I don’t really know where you are going with this, you seem to be suggesting that you have somehow “caught them out”
The government chooses what to spend taxpayers money on and they have decided that pensions will have to be reformed as public sector pensions are unaffordable within the government’s plans.
It isn’t a question of whether they can afford to or not – it’s a question of whether they decide to spend taxpayers money in this way
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The government has to pay for PFI hospitals etc, which are too expansive because it has signed contracts etc and the banks dont wont let them off by making them cheaper.
If the government cant break that contract why should it be able to break the contract with its staff.
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So public sector pensions are affordable based on the agreement reached with the trade unions in 2008.
The only argument left is that the government now wants to pillage public sector pensions with the same enthusiasm as private sector bosses took from their own workforce in the last 20 years. Each public sector worked will pay more to receive less and the more will go into the treasury to pay off the deficit created by “call me Dave’s” friends in the city. Meanwhile they crack open the champagne having raided both the private sector pension pot and the public sector pension pot. Ordinary savings from ordinary people transferred to the richest in society via funds that the government was supposed to pay pensions with.
Now that the public have caught onto bankers bonuses the rich and powerful are after the public’s pension funds to pay for their lavish lifestyle.
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Perhaps ministers should have a word with private sector employers and get them to improve their employees pensions out of the profits they avoid tax on?
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That graph assumes significant workforce reductions. Try following the trend line from 2000 to 2010 and beyond if you want to see the cost of unreformed pensions. Even the action taken to deliver the Hutton forecasts are insufficient when you consider that the fiscal gap is 33% of tax take unless you think that public sector pensions should be particularly ringfenced.
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The graph assumes some workforce reductions as both parties have been introducing Private sector providers for decades and that is not going to change.
It assumes Pension age goes up to 65 for new entrants as was agreed in the various schemes in 2006-8.
It assumes as was agreed in the various schemes that if the cost of the scheme goes up due to increased longevity then the employer (the Government) would pay no more than now and the employee would pay more. NHS contribution rates went up from 6% to 7.5% in 2009 and was scheduled for review in 2014, and would presumably have gone up again.
It assumes uprating in terms of CPI not RPI, which the Unions are objecting to but on that one the Government has announced the change has happened and is not intending to discuss so it is reasonable to include it.
Bottom line public sector workers expect to pay more in and retire later, but there is no crisis related to the pension schemes which requires a change in the middle of a pay freeze.
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If we want to focus on pensions inequality, surely we should focus on raising private sector pensions, not lowering public sector pensions. The economy is there to serve our quality of life. If it is failing to give us a high standard of living into old age we should be asking why.
On an entirely unrelated note, did you know the salaries of top CEOs in Britain went up by 30% last year. They have been rising by similar rates for a long time, including over the perios of the last few years when many people took salary cuts in real terms. It barely seems worth mentioning but I thought I would.
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so why are not the governeemnt ensuring private employees have decent pensions? Public sector pensions are not generous so IF they are better than private then private sector pensions are the disgrace. Why not tax the rich and business more and put into decent pensions….and this doesnt ven start to adreess state pension..oh and whatever happened to all the leisure time we were proised decades ago as computers were brought in?
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This shows that the attack on public sector pensions is ideological rather than necessary. I disagree however that the government should focus on the inequality between private and public sector as it is not a race to the bottom.
Both public sector and private sector pensions should provide a living wage in retirement.
The real equality is between workers in both public & private sectors and a cabinet of millionaires and the wealthy individuals and powerful corporations that they represent.
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… “give public servants such a comfortable retirement”.
With respect, Cathy, I very much doubt that you’d personally regard what a lot of public service will receive (even under the current system) as affording you a “comfortable retirement”.
Do you think that between £4-10,000 would do that, even now – let alone in a few years?
This is one of the big myths that the government has been busy peddling: even Hutton stated in his pre-report that public service pensions were NOT ‘gold plated’.
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The private sector pensions have been taking nasty hits for the last 20 years. Pensions related to income have been misused until many have had to be disbanded, Maxwell was not the only owner who put his hands in the pension pot to keep his firms afloat. Hedge funds purchasing firms in the private sector have also disbanded pensions and ensured that workers lost out. Likewise firms going bankrupt have left the private sector pensioners without the security of a pensions. The arguement should be that everyone should have a chance to pay into a decent pension and know that it is safe no matter if they work in the private sector or the public. The attack on public is only because it is a good example of the sort of pensions every one should have a chance to receive at the end of their lives. This is the demand that all workers no matter what sector they are in should be making. Not trying to divide and rule. We are all in this world together.
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In the government’s defense, the Hutton report’s predicted drop in pension costs from 1.9% to 1.4% of GDP made a couple of assumptions:
1) The switch from RPI to CPI indexation sticks.
2) The pension age for new teachers will be 65.
3) The number of people employed in the public falls as a percentage of the total population.
The NUT’s first two demands, from http://www.teachers.org.uk/files/Reasons-for-the-NUT-Action%E2%80%93Key-Facts-for-NUT-Members.pdf, are:
1) Reverse the switch from RPI to CPI.
2) Stop trying to raise the pension age.
So the strike, if it succeeded, would invalidate the assumptions under which the projection was calculated. It’s therefore difficult to argue that the projection justifies the union’s demands. Also, while the NUT haven’t actually said they’re against decreasing the number of teachers, it seems like a reasonable guess.
The projection also assumed that future increases in life expectancy beyond a certain level would lead to automatic benefit cuts, under the cap and share system. The government isn’t proposing that at the moment, and I doubt the unions would be terribly happy if they did, which makes the projection even…
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Archibald,
I know for sure that teachers accepted a rise in the pension age to 65 4 years ago, as well as accepting that they would have to bear the cost should auditing show a complete black hole that needs filling.
The government has been asked to give audited figures – it has refused to do so.
This is ideologically driven
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Archibald:
“So the strike, if it succeeded, would invalidate the assumptions under which the projection was calculated”
A fair point, but they are adopting a negotiating position. Just as the government ramped it up so did they.
I expect they’d settle in the middle.
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Drag everyone’s quality of retirement down and leave only the Directors and CEOs with multi million pound pensions – that is the Government’s plan!
The media support that in their bias reporting.
The argument should be that the pension crisis in this country has been caused by big business and that an enquiry should be going on as to why the private sector treats its workers to badly when it comes to pay and pensions.
Use envy as a weapon to get workers fighting one another, and supporting the view that all pensions shoudl be basically crap!!
Great country we have!!
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Why is it ‘fair’ for many in the private sector to enjoy bonuses, generous expense accounts, company cars and other perks not available to the public sector, but ‘unfair’ for the public sector to maintain their pension rights just because the private sector has reneged on their own responsibility. Remember how in the boom times, companies were taking a pension holiday – that should never have been allowed.
It all comes at a time when another discussion is going on as to how the state can afford to take care of the elderly. Perhaps if decent pensions were worked out for public and private sector workers, that might become less of an issue.
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Cathy Newman is also at the pick and mix counter. She compares the ‘generous’ pensions of the public sector with those in the private sector. This conveniently forgets that private sector bankers and financiers have persuaded the government to nationalise their enormous debts. Public sector employees will be carrying the burden for many years, without having participated in the greed that caused the debts. Cathy Newman’s myopia would be nothing to do with the fact that she is in the private sector – would it?
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You might also want to read this Ben Goldacre article from 2010 re. Private vs Public Sector pensions. I doubt we have any more data now than we did then:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jan/09/bad-science-ben-goldacre
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Any claim that any element of Government expenditure is going “up” or “down” as a percentage of GDP is nothing other than a piece of “Fortune Telling” and should be treated as such.
Nobody knows what future GDP will be. FACT.
Whether something is “affordable” in the future depends 100% of economic growth and nobody can tell you what that will be. The economy may flatline, grow slowly, or we could sink into a recession. I would not wish to bet on any of these outcomes.
However, it is possible, with great skill and care, to estimate what future pension liabilities will be.
I think it is “safest” to work on HARD’ish facts when making decisions rather that %’ge of future GDP which are totally Unreliable and Unpredictable.
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This isn’t really the point. The question should be, is it fair? And ultimately it isn’t fair that a private sector worker on 25 to 30k a year, who has already taken a huge hit over the last few years re income, pension, security, should be expected to contribute to the kind of pensions that exist within the public sector. We’re all in this together doesn’t really apply does it?
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Public sector pensions promote myths of fairness and predictability. Truth is, superannuation will always be unfair between employees, and lack precise accounting for both employers and employees.
Higher ranks get much more pension in proportion to their career earnings than the lower paid. Hutton’s proposal leaves that outrage intact. Employers’ cannot know what liability they’re incurring because they cannot know what the ‘final salary’ of their new recruits will be when they retire. So their Accounts always mislead the public.
Nor does any public employee ever know what their pension will be until they’re close to retirement. Moreover, the gearing of superannuation promotes age discrimination.
I developed an outline scheme that would make all pensioners earn the same proportionate pension from their earnings, be transparent for Public Accounts and inform employees exactly what pension they had earned from start to finish.
Hutton rejected that fair and fully transparent scheme. Perhaps because he was paid to promote the Tory Government’s scheme instead?
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The constant erosion of pension schemes is likely to influence people not to opt into them and this would have consequences in years to come when people fail to make provision for their old age. Good provision means people are enabled to keep independence in old age and contribute towards their care.
There is no point in a Big Society if we are all working into late old age rendering us unavailable for voluntary work, childcare and reducing our leisure in ways that make us unhealthy. Many in the private sector took control of their pension pot and invested in property but it is too late after paying years in to suddenly find the planned income is reduced and options are limited.
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@publicdrudge
I agree with your comments about the erosion of pension provision. It is a very sad trend.
Pension provison in the private sector have been badly eroded ( with scarcely a murmur from employees ) and this process has now commenced in the public sector.
On the Big Society front, I somewhat disagree with you as there are many busy, hard working people who still find time – and will continue to find time – to volunteer. In my last company a degree of “volunteering / give-back to the community” was (almost) mandatory.
With regard to private sector pension investments, I believe that most people will end up VERY disappointed with their private pension pot as these are very unlikely to pay out anything like as much as people will need.
On the specific point of investment in property, I believe this Government by keeping interest rates at a 400 year low for such a long time are bending over backwards to keep the property market and its values supported. I do not believe any property investor should complain about reduction in planned income and reduced and limited options.
It is the options of the younger generation that are being limited via high…
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The bottom line is that there erally shouldn’t be a cost tot he public purse at all. Not 1.6 1.21 or 0.6 of GDP. We pay their salaries, often for delivering something other than policy via a dodgy concordat here and there. Until the public via their elected councillors have control via a councillor led appraisal process, linking performance directly against policy delivery and enforcement: Any incentive over a salary package whether it’s a pension or a bonus should be funded through productivity not as a negative blot on UK Plc’s current account, GDP or as an inflation boost to increase deficits. The bottom line is that Pensions should be self funded in the Public sector as they are in the private sector.
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The bias by the press is yet again leaving the public without the facts, i am pleased that PMs offer to the unions has been rejected and possible strike action take place, at a time when goverment proposals for the future include the compulsory paying in to a pension fund for all working persons and completely stiffing the persons that have them now “great message to send out PM” oh and as for the present pensions being un-affordable hey this lots thrown away 450 million building 9 regoinal control centres for the emergency services of which a total of one is in use, thats 8 standing empty whilst this govt pays the “garanteed rent” for the next 25 years, who says we have no money
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Once upon a time a private company was run not only to Earn money for it’s shareholders but also to train develop and provide for the retirement of it’s workers. This was the business world showing a responsibility to the fabric of society. The works pension fund was an important integral part of the business. Now alas Profit alone runs the whole system, Obscene greed at the top. Mr Cadbury would turn in his grave. I am a frontline manager in a jobcentre who has to put up with verbal abuse on a daily basis as well as threatening behaviour. I also have to put up with this as I walk around my home town being heckled by customers whose money I have suspended due to them not wanting to work. Many public servants suffer the same problems. My Pay is £20,000 per annum and I was expecting a pension of around £6000 at 60 yrs. Now it appears I will have to work to 68 yrs, pay £70 a month extra and get £1000 less. Surely it is not my pension that is the problem . It is the GREED of private pension funds and Private bosses who put profit ahead of their workers old age that needs sorting. Look at the increase in Aviva profits despite the recession and compare with my 50% reduced…
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