Ed Miliband: tax, Iraq and marriage
The claim

In an interview with Channel 4 News, Ed Miliband said he would raise taxes to cut the deficit and introduce new laws to stop foreign workers from undercutting British employees. He denied that in his first speech as Labour leader, he had toughened his opposition to the Iraq war – and said people weren’t bothered if he was married to his partner.
The analysis
“I would do more from taxation than Alistair proposed in his plan”
Mr Miliband was asked if would stick to former Chancellor Alistair Darling’s plan to reduce the deficit. This would involve halving the deficit over four years through a combination of spending reductions and tax increases (with two thirds of the deficit dealt with by spending reductions and a third by tax rises).
The Labour leader said he would be more reliant on tax increases than Mr Darling – and less reliant on spending cuts. He’s proposing that the new 50p top rate of tax on incomes above £150,000 is made permanent and would increase the bank levy and introduce a financial transactions tax.
In his interview with us, he wouldn’t be drawn on the exact ratio of spending cuts to tax rises he would like to see, so here’s a scenario envisaged by our economics editor Faisal Islam, with help from the Institute for Fiscal Studies.
Were Ed Miliband to plump for a 60:40 ratio (with 60 per cent of the deficit dealt with by tax rises and 40 per cent by spending cuts), an additional £8bn would be raised by taxes, which would mean £8bn wouldn’t have to be lopped off spending.
” ….. make sure there are laws to stop agency workers being used to undercut people who are working alongside them”
This was Mr Miliband’s answer when he was asked what he would do to stop immigrants from eastern Europe from coming to this country and working for less than British workers.
But how practical is his suggestion? Not very, according to Jacqueline McGuigan, an emloyment specialist at TMP Solicitors in London.
She told FactCheck: “Agency workers tend to be poorly paid (women and minorities), so there could be indirect discrimination. I just don’t think it is achievable.
“I don’t think it has been properly thought out because there are so many protective employment laws – over 70 – so if you’re going to change pay, priority and workers, you have to think about all of this legislation to make sure you are not infringing other well-established employment protection laws.”
“I said that at many, many, many hustings …. that it was wrong”
Mr Miliband said in his speech that the Iraq war was “wrong” – and was asked if he had toughened his rhetoric on this issue.
On a BBC Radio 5 Labour leadership hustings on 29 July, he called the Iraq war “a mistake”, before turning the clock back to 2003, when the invasion took place and he wasn’t yet an MP.
He said: “I did tell people at the time that asked me that I was against the war”, adding: “We hitched our wagon to the US on foreign policy in a way that was a profound mistake.”
But his later voting record as an MP tells a slightly different story. If he was against the Iraq war why did he vote against an inquiry into the decision to invade in 2006, 2007 and 2008?
“We said in the past that we intended to get married. I actually think the British people are pretty relaxed about whether we’re married or whether we’re not married”
This was his response to a question about whether he intended to marry his pregnant partner Justine Thornton, the mother of his one-year-old son.
So how relaxed are the British people? According to a British Social Attitudes report, published in 2008,
two thirds of people think there’s little difference socially between being married and living together, only one in four believe married couples make better parents than unmarried ones, and half think weddings are more about celebration than life-long commitment.
The verdict
We wait with bated breath to see where Mr Miliband goes on tax, but it’s clear that he wants a larger proportion of the deficit dealt with by taxation than Alistair Darling proposed.
Turning to foreign workers, he will need to tread carefully. As our employment specialist makes clear, there’s a danger of indirect discrimination.
On Iraq, we should give him the benefit of the doubt. It’s undoubtedly true that he made his opposition to the war a theme of his campaign, but his blunt use of the word “wrong” in his speech certainly seemed to add an extra dimension to his previous criticisms.
On the British people’s attitude to the fact he isn’t married, he’s on firm ground when he uses the word “relaxed”.


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Just had a look at Ed Milband’s record for attendance and voting opportunities in the Parliamentary Records.
He had 22 occassions available to him to vote for an inquiry into the legitimacy if the Iraq War. He voted 22 times and on all 22 occassions he voted against there being an Inquiry.
It is easy to declare something as ‘Wrong’ but unless ALL the facts are put before the public in an Official Inquiry we will never know if the War was Right or Wrong.
And just in case anyone misunderstands how easy it is for Ed Miliband to be able to hedge his bets on this issue now he has the chance to distance himself his former colleagues – the Chilcot Inquiry will NOT be adjudicating on whether the Iraq War was right or wrong so is not THE Inquiry that Ed should have voted for if he had the ‘regret’ he now expresses.
In my view, Ed Miliband is sadly showing how easy it is to become a hypocrite and try to avoid criticism when he was a loyal member of a political party that took the United Kingdom into two wars during their time in office. Furthermore, this country is still fighting one of those wars even today – not once did he vote to end the Iraq War or get the UK out of…
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On 27 September, Alistair Darling, the former Labour Chancellor of the Exchequer and someone with more experience than Ed Milband, said that it would be increasingly difficult to collect MORE tax from income and profits as successful people and businesses will simply shift tax jurisdiction to outside of the UK as long as the 50% (or higher if Ed Miliband has his way) tax rates are in place.
If the UK puts up its tax rates and keeps them high then the rich and powerful will simply go elsewhere – they did so under Wilson and Callaghan, they would so under Miliband – and they take their companies and employment opportunities with them.
Yesterday one of our large companies, Wolseley, announced it was going to the Channel Islands and Switzerland to get away from UK tax rates and the Inland Revenue. It follows Shire and Ineos, and various investment businesses.
The actual way to increase the UK tax take from the rich and successful is simple – cut the rates, then more will want to come here, stay here, create jobs and increase tax revenue.
Ed Miliband needs to realise that taxation is a hindrance not a help to raising State revenues.
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He also had a chance to express his opposition in speeches in the House of Commons or in the 2005 & 2010 elections. Without the evidence, I can’t say whether he ever mentioned his opposition to the Iraq war on any occasion before the leadership contest. To my mind it was a classic piece of the so-called “triangulation”, used by Blair on the Conservatives & Brown on Blair – i.e. put yourself slightly on more popular ground of your opponent.
And though I accept there will be many who want an inquiry as to whether the war was “right or wrong”, I don’t think it’s not that simple. You might get a view on the balance of probabilities whether it was illegal or not: but I doubt you’ll ever get a conclusive view, otherwise it would have been attempted. As to right or wrong, it depends who you are, how you’ve been affected, and what happens not just between 2003 & 20io, but for the next decade or two.
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I must say I fully agree with Iain Crew in regards to tax, businesses will leave if higher taxes are increased further on them and yes they should be lowered to entice them to stay while encouraging newcomers to these shores. On the “war” in Iraq of course it should never have happened it was Tony Blair backing U.S.foreign policy that took Britain to “war” there. I’m glad Ed Miliband has stated that it was wrong to go to war in Iraq and should push for any inquiry that would release all the evidence now he is the leader of the Labour Party. Most people nowadays in Britain don’t care if a man and woman are married be it Church/civil as long as they can commit themselves to a loving relationship.
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Perhaps Cathy you could do a fact check on the level of overall taxation faced by individuals and business in the UK. I’ve been hearing for most of my life the argument that if the existing level of tax is raised, rich individuals & businesses will leave our shores in droves. So why is it that so many people & businesses keep coming here? I suspect that tax isn’t the only reason. Compared to much of the world, the UK has a flexible labour market & a functioning legal system. I suspect we could tax some more – not least obscenely overpaid bankers, who Mr Crew appears to be happy to allow to continue to pay themselves vast amounts of dosh, sometimes on our money.
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