Cameron's Lexus takes a wrong turn?
I went to a Hull police station the other day. They had five different police cars, and they were just about to buy a £73,000 Lexus.
David Cameron, Leaders debate, 15 April 2010
Cathy Newman checks it out
Politicians like to have a go at the police for spending too much time behind a desk and not enough time pounding the streets. But last night, PC Plod got it in the neck over his choice of wheels.
During last night’s TV debate, David Cameron suggested the fancy Lexus purchased by the police in Hull was a striking example of public sector waste. But was it anything of the sort?
The FactCheck team tuned in last night, and throughout the day we’ll be bringing you our findings.
The analysis
Humberside police force don’t deny that they’ve purchased a Lexus IS-F but they certainly haven’t made any secret of the fact that they bought it almost a year ago – in July to be precise.
Lexus were so proud that their vehicle was chosen after 12 months of testing that they put out a press release. According to the Sergeant Mike Peck the vehicle was “tested during a 12 month period along with similar vehicles and proved itself to be ideally suited” to operate as part of a Roads Crime Section team.
The police told FactCheck today that they use this high performance vehicle as a “grand command vehicle” which leads a fleet as part of the fight against serious organised crime.
But did they pay £73,000 for it? Er, no. Lexus confirmed that the on-the-road price of a Lexus IS-F was £53,381 last July but, they said, the police would not have paid that price but something closer to £50,000. The police wouldn’t confirm the exact price but also said they paid less than the list price.
To be fair, the car in question carries £30,000 worth of on-board computers and communications equipment so once the police purchased it they souped it up somewhat.
Both the police and Lexus told us there are no plans to buy another vehicle at the moment.
What’s more, FactCheck can find no record of Cameron visiting Hull since August last year. So when he said “I went to a Hull police station the other day” what FactCheck thinks he really meant to say was “I was in a Hull police station on August the 18th last year”
Today a Conservative spokesman told FactCheck: “David Cameron visited a Hull police station and was told that the local police force were on the point of buying a £73,000 Lexus.
“He did not seek to single out Humberside Police for criticism, but to make a broader point about the need for value for money in all police procurement.
“If Hull police in fact managed to purchase their Lexus for a smaller sum then they are to be congratulated. The Lexus came up in conversation and David Cameron was not made aware of the final purchase price.”
The verdict
The Lexus mantra is “the pursuit of perfection”, but David Cameron’s mastery of the facts on this occasion was less than perfect. He wasn’t in a Hull police station “the other day”, but eight months ago.
The police aren’t about to buy a Lexus – they already have one. And it didn’t cost anywhere near £73,000, but closer to £50,000.
A fleet of other TV debate FactChecks are on the production line – watch this space.



There are 26 comments on this post
What a load of rubbish this article is… Gordon Brown selling our gold, cutting pensions and fact that our police are wasting money like most public sectors to get Mr Cameron to apologies is ridiculous, he can only go on what he was told when visited and oh wait police don´t want to say how much as prob cost more in total.
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However the final cost of said car was likely to be at the price which David Cameron suggested – £73k, are you not just being pedantic here and trying to find something that isnt exactly 100% correct hence you pounce on it! Cathy i think you need to get out more, and maybe highlight MAJOR mistakes, Brown’s apology for not regulating the banks seems to be quite a significant mistake that has cost us all.
Please keep to facts in future and not peddle such biased rubbish.
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And Humberside Police generally use Protons for their patrol cars: Impians and Gen-2s with a list price of around £10,000.
Protons are about the cheapest cars you can buy for their size (about £3,000 less than comparable Fords and Vauxhalls), so you can hardly accuse the Humberside force of being extravagant.
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SO Yes the lexus fullly fitted out to Police Requiremnts cost £80,000
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Hang on, you make no sense whatsoever. The car cost £50k, the onboard stuff cost £30k therefore overall the car cost well over £73k. Could it just be that you don’t really like David Cameron and so therefore will make any tenuous accusation you think you can get away with?
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Laura Craik from Evening Standard wrote (11/03/2010):”"And I feel angry that the Royal Free spent £70,000 on glass-topped desk to take pride of space in its new entrance hall….” I think this is waste of money, isn’t it? No one will be healthier from the desk. Gordon Brown said misleading information on the NHS waiting list. He is a liar, or he is living on another planet. I am happy to have an appointment with GP in Ingatestone, Essex in 8 days time and happy if I can see the specialist at 6 month time. But this is far from reality, it is longer waiting time in reality. And we can have 8hors working time in GP surgery – it would be fantastic, But in reality it is getting worst, worst, worst.
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what about the “40 year old man” he mentioned, who had been in the navy for 30 years. … ie since he was 10? i didnt quite get that bit either!
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I saw Humberside Police’s Lexus on the road today in Grimsby, I’m assuming it’s the one DC was referring to.
Many other police forces have other high-spec cars, not just for high-speed chases, but for PR towards ‘boy-racers’.
The rest of Humberside’s police cars are Protons. Hardly the fleet of BMW’s that make up the German policeforce’s favoured mode of transport…
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Shocking stuff from Cameron and this really does need to be wider reported.
If he’ll mislead like this now, god knows what he will get up to when given power.
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Check your facts before you speak. This vehicle is less than 50k, but the extra kit added puts it well over 75k delivered to Hull police.
NO mistake, are you putting an apology here to Mr Cameron or just shutting up.
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I think you may have made a mistake. Have the police converted the IS-F to police spec?
The base car may have cost £50,000, but if the interior was stripped in order to fit communications equipment and speed check kit then it could well have added £20k to the bill.
I doubt that the police bought this extremely powerful car and are now using it in ex-showroom form to chase criminals.
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Regardless of the costs I don’t think that our police force you be driving around in luxury cars as Lexus. I had a similar reaction when a couple of weeks ago I saw another police car, in this case a Lexus 4X4, in Cardiff city centre. So this Lexus in Hull is not an isolated case
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Not only was Mr Cameron wrong about the Lexus, he is also completely clueless about the employment of police officers in the HR department of the Met (his other policing sound-bite). Yes there are about 400 officers classified in the HR department, but they are the people you train the new recruits and PCSO’s, etc. Who does he think should be training new recruits?
It makes you think someone is feeding him false information to make him look a fool…
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50k is still a lorra money. couldnt the police slum it in a ford or vauxhall?
indeed, what does the sticking accelerator and dodgy electrics lexus have that the others do not?
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Isn’t the point that Cameron is an exaggerator and liar? I can forgive him getting his figures mixed up, but to say he had been at this station just the other day is a blatant lie; one that can not be attributed to confusion or missed/misunderstood facts.
What happened to getting the regaining the public’s trust, eh Dave?
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Hi Cathy
More fact checks for you. They do not need much research.
One of Mr Cameron’s anecdotes last night (Police have checked Lexus anecdote):
“I was in Plymouth recently and a 40-year-old black man actually made the point to me,” Cameron recalled at the debate. “He said: ‘I came here when I was six, I served in the Royal Navy for 30 years, I’m incredibly proud of my country, but I am so ashamed that we have had this out of control system with people abusing it so badly.’
News item today:
Mr Cameron denied he would need to change tactics for the next TV debate after failing to shine in the polls.
“I do not think so. I do not believe in being negative and trying to pull the others down.”
You can check the veracity of this statement from recordings of PM Questions in parliament.
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I fail to see the error in what David Cameron has said. This fact check is incorrect and misleading to the public and I think that a correction should be made.
How does a £50k vehicle with >£20k worth of comunications and camera equipment not cost the police force and so the tax payer ~£73k?
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£50K is still a huge amount for a police car!
A documentary a year or so ago on Humberside showed the awful reality of wasteful modern policing:
-The entire town of Grimsby covered entirely in CC-TV cameras.
-A police helicopter used to chase a bunch of 5 or 6 teenagers guilty or stealing-a pair of ladies stockings from a van-who managed to escape identification by the simple expedient of going in a house and changing tops!
-A middle aged man rugby tackled & arrested by armed response police officers (because none others were available) because a CC camera operator had seen him ‘touching a police car door’ when they moved in to arrest some kids joy riding in a dumper truck.
-A man arrested, strip searched, put in a paper suit and held in cells overnight because he became abusive and refused to identify himself when he was stopped (apparently for the fifth time) by police on ‘suspicion’ because he was driving a ‘smart car’ – which was in fact owned and was fully taxed and insured.
Don’t sweat the small stuff Channel 4. So what, if Humberside police got 20K off the list price. It is still indicative of misguided spending.
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A command vehicle doesn’t have to cost £50K. Nor does it have to be foreign. And I don’t follow the idea that the police need to be posers. Those are the real problems with that purchase. But Cameron was right about the on-the-road-fully-equipped cost.
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I think the point was well made. The fact check is quite clearly inaccurate. The car may well have cost £50k, but to spec it up for Police use would cost several thousand pounds. Even the reflective graphics cost a fortune. I could quite easily see it costing £70k+.
I think the point is, why do they need to use cars like that? I’ve seen Lexus, BMWs, Jaguars in use across the country. Why is a £50,000 Lexus necessary, when something like a Mitsubishi Evolution can be bought for around £30,000, still has four doors, five seats, a large boot, just as much straight line speed and even better road-holding. It would most likely hold even more kudos with the ‘boy-racer’ fraternity as mentioned above.
I’m no Tory follower, I remain undecided, but Cameron made a good point. That was a clear waste of money and is by no means an isolated case. A police car should be fit for purpose without doubt, but a £30,000 Mitsubishi Evolution will do the job just as well, if not better, than a £50,000 Lexus ISF, and it’s an instant £20,000 saving. Add that up across the country, buyin Mondeo’s and Vectras instead of BMWs and Jaguars and I should imagine there would be some significant savings that could be spent on getting more officers on the beat.
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Is Cathy Newman totally bonkers. 70K or 50K do you know you can actually buy two houses in one part of Hull for just over 50k. Its a Labour dominated estate try telling those folk about how you accept the 50k car. Think you need a new career you got this one wrong again.
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It wasn’t very Cameron, his performance on thurs – he should be himself rather than what someone is telling him: anecdotes of speaking to someone etc is just bland politics of the type we’ve heard for years and so it’s no surprise Clegg came out well.
But I expect this was on purpose to let Clegg burn out early and whallop them all later…. or maybe Cameron would prefer Clegg as leader of the opposition when he is PM so wants to promote him
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“Is Cathy Newman totally bonkers. 70K or 50K do you know you can actually buy two houses in one part of Hull for just over 50k. ”
But just you try chasing a speeding crook in one…..
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I wouldn’t get all hung up on whether the vehicle cost 50k, 73k or 80k, the fact is Mr Cameron LIED! unless of course a day now lasts 8 months, in that case a week in politics really is a very long time. – Well done Cathy. P.S. I am not a supporter of any of the main parties.
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How did he lie?
If the car cost £50k according to Lexus, it’s quite plausible that a further £20k was spent on it bringing it up to traffic operations spec?
Add ANPR, all the reflective graphics, strobe lights, the light bar, radio equipment, possible engine or suspension changes and it soon adds up.
I’m not saying he was 100% telling the truth; merely that it seemed the FactCheck had not fully investigated all the details.
I’d like to see a cost breakdown for modifying the standard car into Police-spec to see it’s true cost. I bet people would be surprised.
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Ohhhh. Look at the eyes rapidly blink during “…the other day”! lol
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