Breaking the bus pass promise?
The claim
“They’re trying to frighten old people by saying we’ll take away bus passes, or winter fuel payments. Well I can tell you we’re going to keep those things, and Labour have got to stop telling lies about what the Conservative party would do.”
David Cameron on the campaign trail in Loughborough, 13 April 2010
Cathy Newman checks it out:
I’ve never seen David Cameron so angry. When Labour claimed the Tories planned to axe free bus passes, he accused his opponents of lying. He responded with a clear promise – repeated several times – that pensioners would get to keep their free bus travel. It’s a pledge that many ministers wish he’d never made. Free pensioner bus passes cost the taxpayer £1bn a year in England – and with the transport department looking for cuts of up to 40 per cent, that money would come in handy. The perk isn’t means-tested, so the millionaire pensioner gets it too. So now it’s come to the spending crunch, is the government looking for a way to wriggle out of its commitment?
The analysis:
Today it emerged that the coalition is considering speeding up Labour plans to increase the age at which pensioners qualify for a free pass age – from 60 to 65 by 2020.
The Department for Transport presented the Treasury today with proposals for spending cuts of between 25 and 40 per cent. It told the Treasury that to slash spending by 40 per cent – the worst-case scenario – it would have to raise the qualifying age much sooner than Labour had planned.
Most Whitehall insiders reckon the spending cuts will be closer to 25 per cent than 40. So government spinners were frantically briefing that more rapid changes to the qualifying age were “extremely unlikely”.
But changes to other travel freebies are more likely. FactCheck has learned that the government has been putting pressure on the London mayor, Boris Johnson, to restrict the concessionary bus fares he offers in the capital.
In London, it’s not just the elderly who get free bus travel, but children under 16, injured war veterans and people looking for work too. In fact, 40 per cent of London bus passengers travel free or at a heavily reduced rate.
The government believes that’s too generous. There was a bit of a row at a meeting this week between the transport secretary Philip Hammond and the Conservative mayor of London, Boris Johnson. In an interview with Channel 4 News, Mr Johnson told us he was “forcefully” resisting pressure to curb the free bus passes.
Cathy Newman’s verdict:
If transport spending gets slashed by 40 per cent, people turning 60 would have to wait five more years for their free bus pass. Cameron’s promise would be severely compromised. But few believe the spending cuts will be quite that drastic. All departments have been asked to prepare two different scenarios – cuts of 25 per cent on the one hand, and 40 per cent on the other. The likelihood is that the axe will fall somewhere in between. If that’s the case, the PM would justifiably argue he’s kept his word. But the machinations behind-the-scenes – and the pressure being brought to bear on Boris Johnson – reveal just how hard that will be.



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Have I missed something? If the government increases the age of entitlement from 60 to 65 how exactly would that compromise David Cameron’s promise made in April 2010?
I thought the age of retirement in the UK is/was 65 and his promise was that PENSIONERS would not lose their entitlement to free bus passes!
Get your facts right Cathy.
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Not all pensioners have a retirement age of 65. The reirment age for women was, until very recently, 60, the age it was when bus passes were first introduced.
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it depends on your date of birth as to when you can retire
i have worked all my life also was a full time carer with not a penny from the Govt i have no children either
i now find that i will have to wait until i am 65 to get a freedom pass but my friend couple mnths older will get hers @ 60
men also are elegible for passes at 60
so if i am unable to work after 60 i will have to pay full fare/ walk (if I can) or stay at home
maybe sometype of reduction based on your NI cons or income tax let the people who HAVE worked all their life benefit from reduced fares
so Iain i dont think your comment is strictly true
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As well as the above statement by cameron (a PM who lost the election !!) on 23rd March he said, with all the false indignation that he could muster “You are getting letters from Labour that say we would cut the Winter fuel allowance,free bus travel and free TV licences”
On 23rd. April with the well rehearsed humility that Sammy has, so far, taught him, he said ” We will keep free TV licence,pension credit,winter fuel allowance,the free bus pass. Those leaflets from Labour are pure and simple lies”
Still what can one expect from someone who has been lying from an early age and was ‘not truthful’ about his qualifications to get into Uni.
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The free bus pass looks to me like another “who benefits” story. Maybe it stacks up differently in the cities, but out here the buses are seldom more than half full at times when the pass is valid. As most of those passengers look to be pensionable, no passes probably means no buses, with consequences for the minority of passengers who are FE students, or part-time workers.
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I agree with Iain Crew, clearly Cathy Newmans definition of “Old People” is anyone over 60…
and that’s a fact that she might prefer not to check!
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One of your most obvious straw man arguments: claim the attack is on pensioner bus passes, when then best you can really come up with is that Boris is under pressure to cut OTHER categories of bus subsidy. As John Redwood put it “Bus passes – spare us the parade of the bleeding stumps”
http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=6651
The fiction is all yours.
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i retire when i am 60 years and 7 months that is in July i will not be happy if i do not get my bus pass . The government is making pensioners prisoners in there own homes.
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There’s a class struggle in bus travel.
It’s a fact that most bus users are from low-income groups. Which is why dependants on NI pensions and benefits are much more likely to use buses than are car-owning Tory activists.
Moreover, without bus pass users, overall bus passengers and revenues would resume the decline in bus services that was stimulated by Thatcher’s privatisation of bus services outside London all those years ago. Declines that threaten this mode of transport favoured by low-income groups.
Bus pass subsidies are a way of retaining bus services that would otherwise fade away. Car drivers don’t like buses and won’t mind if buses are swept away from provincial roads. QED
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Cathy, jobseekers get 50% discount on London buses & trams only – not free travel. And only after 3 months. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14306.aspx
See
Sorry, but this is Factchecker so our facts have to be impeccable!
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Whoops for our facts read your facts.
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Dear Iain,
Yes you have missed something. Women currently get their state pension at around 60; men at 65. So plenty of pensioners won’t be getting their bus pass. A broken promise indeed.
Regards
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Well done Iain. Hoping that Cammo will give you a job for giving him the perfect wiggle-out clause? You wait and see – there won’t be a single election promise kept that is to the benefit of anyone but the wealthiest few members of our so-called society or the chardonnay swillers of Chelsington and Batter-see-ah.
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Footnote:
I see that today the Scottish government are being asked to consider cutting free bus passes under the budget review they have commissioned. Please note that David Cameron and the Westminster Parliament will have no say in the devolved decision – and that the Tory influence in Holyrood isn’t going to dominate the decision either. I don’t suppose this will prevent them from trying to pin the blame elsewhere.
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Footnote to footnote:
Today I see that Alex Salmond is reported as saying that bus passes are sacrosanct, and won’t be cut. After all, cutting something that the Tories aren’t cutting would make him look exceptionally mean. Perhaps Cameron’s promise had more influence that I gave it credit for.
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The free bus pass helps pensioners to get out a bit with associated health benefits (now much does it save the NHS?), bit it also directs pensioners to off-peak services (only available after 9.30), and subsidises bus-owners so they can run services that might otherwise not be viable. It could also ease queues if drivers did not have to issue these silly “Paid zero” receipts.
But does it really cost 1 billion per year as Cathy claims? That seems like about 60 UKP per pensioner – so it may much better value than some perks. However it is best regarded as a subsidy for the bus industry than as a perk for millionaire pensioners (thanks for mentioning them Cathy – I have yet to meet one!)
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I will be 63 years old in January 2011, when I turned 60 I applied for my freedom pass [London area] and received it. I stopped work when I was 61+ as the building trade was suffering a bad recession [46+years bricklaying,paying tax+N.I.contributions]. Suffered from arthritis in knees+hands since my mid-50′s but soldiered on working until the recession bit hard, now have to walk with aid of walking stick. For me to get about I need my bus pass as I can only walk short distances before having to rest, if my bus pass was taken away I could only manage to get to the local shop otherwise I would have to pay bus fares to and from my destinations. Being on pension/credit I find it hard enough to cope without paying bus fares, I always thought that the taxes/ni that I paid in my work lifetime would look after me when I needed it.
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I live in London and consider the Freedom pass extremely valuable – this is something really worth fighting for. It makes a huge difference to the quality of life here. However, I would like to know more about how much it costs the taxpayer and how it is funded. I would like to be armed with the correct facts and figures but I am finding it very difficult to obtain this exact information. It must be in the public domain. Could somebody please point me in the right direction?
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To save costs why not just geographically restrict travel using a buspass, ie if you live in Grampian and Borders you can only travel in the Grampian and Borders, I am not entirely comfortable with the most vulnerable in our society being able to travel further than they need to, for health and safety reasons it should be restricted, this will save money and votes.
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But the entire point of the new scheme was that it removed the old restrictions that were around before the ENCTS.
Before ENCTS, Pensioners were only awarded a bus pass based on local authority rules and regulations and many local authorities set their ages at 65+.
The ENCTS is useful if like me (disabled not pensioner) you often find yourself at every conceivable edge of England because it gives you the freedom to travel wherever you may be.
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I will be 60 on the 4th october 2011 does that mean I will get a free bus pass?
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I regard so called ‘Free’ bus passes as absurd, silly and dangerous, why should an ordinary working person pay extra tax to subsidise pensioners and the bus industry to the detriment of others in the transport industry?
My income tax already goes to subsidise old age pensioners in the form of housing benefit, council tax benefit, state retirement pension, pension credit, attendance allowance, disability living allowance, free T.V licences,christmas bonuses, winter heating allowance,care homes, excessive and unproductive use of the NHS but seemingly with no sense of shame all this largesse is not enough, now these people want a free bus pass.
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Anyone in Public Office needs to PASS a budget course before they are entitled to have any say about MONEY!The most important person, teacher, fireman, and on & on IS NOT the fault. Look at there UNIONS, The Big wigs, Lobbyist, CEOs who make sure they get MONEY. Then we have all these so called Wash. DC people who are suppose to be in there FOR the PEOPLE making sure they get the best Nutz to the rest of us. November is comming VOTE. LETS clean HOUSE and fire the whole bunch of no-gooders! Start RIGHT at the TOP! Stop this overspending unsensitive horror that is going on!
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>> The perk isn’t means-tested, so the millionaire pensioner gets it too. <<
Don't be daft, Cathy. How many millionaires do you think stand about waiting at bus stops?
What I do know is that there are a hell of a lot of "non-profit-making"(*) bus services that all of us (and not just eccentric millionaires) would lose if the bus companies were no longer to receive compensation for their acceptance of bus passes.
(*) Non-profit-making in the same sense that the army and the police and ambulance services, say, are not subject to corporation tax.
Most bus-pass holders I know would simply stop travelling if this "perk" were taken away — and how will THAT benefit the general health and well-being of society (I'd suggest that other "care" costs would increase as a result) let alone stimulate the economy?
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I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A GRAY PARTY (I.E.FOR PENSIONERS) NOT TO GAIN TOTAL CONTROL, BUT TO STOP AND MAKE SURE THAT THE MANAGEMENT I.E. GOVENMENT DO WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO, AND LOOK AFTER THEIR OLD AGE PENSIONERS FOR ONE. AND GIVE THEM THE VERY USEFULL GIFT. FOR ALL WHAT THEY HAVE DONE OVER THE YEARS TO KEEP THE U.K.IN ONE PIECE AND FREE FROM NASTY ROTTERS OVERSEAS. SO THAT THE LIKES OF CAMERON AND BROWN AND OTHER SNEAKS AND LYING SCUM BAGS CAN LIVE THE GOOD LIFE THAT THEY DO. I DONT THINK MOST WOULD MIND THEM LIVEING A BIT OF A HIGH LIFE IF THEY LEFT US POOR AND POORISH OLD FOLK ALONE TO LIVE OUR LIVES OUT IN COMFORT AND PRIDE TO HAVE AND SAY THANK YOU FOR OUR BUS PASS MR MAN AT THE TOP.
BUT I FEAR NOT. THAT THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN. THAT’S WHY AT THE AGE OF 72 I AM GOING UP TO ST PAUL’S TO MEET AND SPEAK WITH THE PROTESTERS. I DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO LOSE. I CANT AFFORD TO RUN A CAR ANYMORE OR EVEN KEEP A DOG WITH VET FEES BEING WHAT THEY ARE. WHO AM I. I’M AN ANGREE OLD MAN, THAT’S WHO.
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Take away the bus pass and have more elderly people on the roads or as someone else has said having bus companies remove routes.Not a good idea. Also. Have any extra buses been put on to serve the demand from the elderly? I think not. So it is making good use of potentially very underused assets. Surely that has to be sensible.
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