Rangers hearing a ‘joke’ says Whyte. Anyone for tennis?
Just off the phone after another natter with Craig Whyte, still the owner and major shareholder at Rangers – a football club he’s not sure he can visit because of concerns for his own safety. Craig’s in fine form today.
Craig is not at Hampden for the SFA’s disciplinary hearing. Craig, in fact is in the south of France: “Yes Alex – lovely sunny day down here as you might expect. Just taking in a little tennis here for a few days.”
Hampden not on the itinerary then?
“Well no. I’m away back to the Highlands for a few days over the weekend with the kids. But I’m back in London early next week.”
So with luck I should be sitting down with Craig a wee bit sooner than any body at the SFA. And why?
“Oh the SFA hearing’s a joke – farce. Why should I go anywhere near a body which announces its verdict at the beginning and then proceeds to its investigation. It’s utterly absurd.”
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Mr Whyte is angry because the SFA declared him “unfit” and “improper” to run a football club some weeks ago now. Curious therefore that its disciplinary hearing’s only under way now, he says.
Furthermore he says he has never been consulted at all over the investigation.
“Well it’s farcical. At no time has anybody from the Scottish Football Association ever come to see me, ever spoken to me at all about this. So it’s a funny kind of investigation isn’t it? They just want to act as judge, jury and executioner and they already have so there’s no way I’m going to be party to this.”
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It is a joke alright, at Scottish Football’s expense and Craig Whyte is but the latest in a long line of jesters.
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I’m starting to like this Craig Whyte fella!
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“Yes Alex – lovely sunny day down here as you might expect. Just taking in a little tennis here for a few days.”
- dearie me
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The kangaroo court that is the SFA.
As long as you are not Irish, Catholic, or even worse, an Irish Catholic manager of Celtic with the audacity to have ginger hair, Scottish football is a great place to ply your trade.
Scotland, whas like us.
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Give it a rest will ye exiled tim.
How long do we have to listen to these poor sob stories from celtic fans.
Why on earth did the powers at your club put a loose cannon like lennon in charge of the team?
Try following a non O.F. team then you’ll see what its like to be victimised 9 times out of 10 when playing your lot.
Would your team realy have won so many honours if the SFA/REFS etc etc were so against them.
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The answer is YES… But they would have also have won a lot MORE without all the “Honest Mistakes.”
A lot of the decisions you talk about in non “Old Firm” games have favoured Rangers, look at Motherwell, goal disallowed & Hearts, phantom penalty as good examples, bad decisions led to points saved by Rangers who went from a position of losing the league to winning on both occassions. Ask Dundee United in the cup, mind you, Rangers were simply the best, the REF said so, in fact he SANG it from his PULPIT on the Sunday & was reported by a member of his congregation.
Do you know something? I AM SICK OF IT TOO, if the refs would just stop the crap no one would be pointing things out about them.
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Yes Ian. The same honest mistakes that see Celtic players fouls to cards ratio totally out of proportion to the other spl clubs. Celtic have had a licence to kick lumps out of the opposition for years. We now witness them moaning about decisions against them in their cup semi. Decisions that tv evidence show the ref got right. The big one he got wrong was allowing the Celtic goal ! When will Celtic ever lose gracefully… It’s no wonder refs let your team win, they get less of a hard time if they do.
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Spot the looney! I remember they used to sing that at games.
You are living up to the role model.
Let me get this right, a club supported by the ever faithfull laptop, who are a public embarrassment to Scotland, Tax cheats, willing to cheat small business, who have the establishment from politicians, through the SFA & SPl bending every rule possible to let you survive, rules ignored, bent, players ordered off, but let off, the list is endless but it ALL pales into insignifigance when I read P*SH like this.
A CLUB WHO LET LEE MCCULLOCH ONTO A FOOTBALL PITCH TO RUN AMOK has a supporter who wants to complain about another teams possible fouls.
Like I said SPOT THE LOONEY, Bee. I will give you a clue, look in a mirror & hey a visit to specsavers might help you as well.
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Ian in response to your “spot the looney” reply below (there is no reply button at your post hence my response up here.)
Your assumption that I’m a rangers fan (which I’m not) says a lot about you and the problem within scottish football.
You are the problem, you and people like you who tell me that the reason I don’t like Neil Lennon is because he’s catholic.
I only wish along with thousands of other football fans that your team had used the same accounting methods as that arrogant, cheating lot at the other side of glasgow.
p.s. I totally agree with all of your comments regarding rangers.
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Bee it is of no interest to me which team you support.
I answered the CONTENT of your post which was clearly mince.
I never mentioned Neil Lennon’s Faith YOU did.
Now you have brought it up It is the MAIN reason for the anti Lennon brigade in this Bigotted Bonnie wee Land, it does NOT start nor stop at Ibrox.
Your anti Celtic drivel brackets you well.
WHY would you wish FINANCIAL RUIN on the best fiscally run Club in Scotland? How is YOUR Club performing?
You said Celtic have had a licence to kick lumps out of the opposition for years, one of the looney remarks, I alluded to, would you care to give me the examples of this over the years you talk of?
Can you list the games Celtic have been ALLOWED to win by Refs?
Like I have said, acting & writing like a looney deserves to be commented on, your anti Celtic reaction speaks volumes, in a neutral way of course.
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Ian, this is my last post on this thread. Talking to O.F. supporters is akin to banging ones heid against a wall.
Your either stupid or choosing to ignore what’s been written before.
My entry to this thread was because a celtic supporter came in with the religious stuff, mine is a reply to that.
My “anti celtic drivel” is in this blog/thread because of the drivel coming from celtic supporters hijacking it.
Next.., the kicking lumps out of other teams statement is based on the facts and figures that are readily available on the world wide web. CELTIC HAVE A FOULS TO CARDS RATIO WHICH IS WAY OUT OF PROPORTION TO OTHER CLUBS.
i.e. a licence to kick lumps out the opposition.
And finally, I am an athiest born into a family of mixed religious belief. My hatred (for want of another word) is not at religions but at it being assumed I’m either an orange B. or a fen*** B. depending which half of the old firm I’m having a pop at. I support my local team. I havent chosen my team based on religious belief. Perhaps if all Scots followed their local team bigotry would not exist in this country. Perhaps if Church leaders asked their flock to support their local communities instead of encouraging a mass exodus to glasgow every week there would be no bigotry.
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Don’t you have the dishes to do?
Maybe a little bit of hoovering?
Run along now.
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We thank them for adding incentive. We have won more than they have.
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Goodness knows why this sectarian-based agenda is being peddled here.
On the article itself the lighthearted tone adopted towards the execrable Mr Whyte shoud sit ill with fans of any club or none.
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WHY?
Until the Scottish Media start to tell the truth about Murray, Bain, McClelland, Ogilvie et al Whyte will remain demonised, HE is only ONE of a GUILTY BUNCH who passed through the Marble Halls of Ibrox..
Are you telling me all RFC problems spring from him?
Yea, it all makes sense now, Minty runs Rangers into the dirt & sells it for £1, but according to the MSM things were ok until Whyte came along & ruined Rangers.
Must be true because Whyte is the only one found to be a wrong un by the SFA.
OR Maybe, THAT is what is wrong at RANGERS, The SFA & SPL, in the MSM & this wee country in general, too used to covering up for the peepel, especially the chosen few in control.
Pick your target, make sure it’s easy to hit & ignore the MAIN & MAJOR problems staring you in the face.
It has worked so far, but the winds of change ARE blowing, outsiders are taking an interest, even asking questions at UEFA.
Scary stuff eh?
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The guys got some front on him,I’ll give him that. Be very intresting to hear what he says to you if you ever get that all elusive interview.Doing the scottish media’s job for them it seems. I wouldn’t hold my breath right enough! Heard you last night on radio clyde alex and thought you were impressive. Soon as u left the studio the panel went back to their usual I knew nothing patter! Doing a sterling job Alex.
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There is something very amusing about Craig Whyte. It’s like his eyes have gone all boggly in wonder at how easy it’s been to pull of this scam. Enjoy the tennis, Craig, you’re a legend!
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What an image…..Craigey Boy in his tennis Whites knocking the ball around Minty’s vineyard in the South of France. i bet he sleeps like a baby to the lovable rogue that he is!!
Look at you with yer ruffled hair Craigy Boy!!!
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Keep up the sterling work Alex. I’ve been most impressed with your work so far.
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*too.
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Should have asked him how his suing of the BBC is going.
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I never thought I’d see the day that I would be writing in SUPPORT of Whyte, but he is RIGHT.
The SFA is corrupt at many levels & has been for years.
They had a chance to clean up their act several times from the Farry Fiasco through lying refs & bullying supervisorse, Honest Mistakes etc. The inept Peat made no pretence of being neutral.
We have had RFC shinanigans for years & no comment or action from the SFA, in fact their CURRENT President is by their OWN admission highly compromised by his involvement in Ranger’s EBTs & contract issues & yet is still in office.
It would appear the ONLY person the SFA is prepared to criticise or condemn, in relation to Rangers, is Whyte.
Where are the REAL Investigations into the Real Rangers Issues?
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These shenanigans you tell of, you do know they were reported to the SFA every year in the submitted accounts.
One questioning would like answered by the SFA is why are Celtic’s law firm being used by the SFA?
Yet still no revelations, could it be that all a lot of the stories were, are, rumours and now that they’ve found nothing everything has went quiet, surprising this.
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Its not Celtic’s law firm. Its a large, independent law firm which happens to have Celtic as a client and IIRC has done other work for the SFA.
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Bruce, I take it you’ve never heard of the phrase “conflict of interest”?
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I have, do YOU know what it means & how it works?
Go check how Rangers got on when Bain used Rangers Lawyers & Rangers complained.
Scots Law has checks & balances & firewalls ensuring confict does not happen, or if it looks likely, processes to avoid it, it also has a procedure for tackling complaints which takes the issue to a higher level, so no interference or bias from those involved is attached to the judgement given. Can ANY other body in this Rangers mess claim this?
You have picked on the ONE body involved in the Rangers fiasco who are NOT compromised.
Now you’ve started let’s have your report on Political interference, MSM Bias & a corrupt SFA with a DEEPLY COMPROMISED PRESIDENT. Add the SPL & their rule bending efforts & you could come back with a great reply.
OR you could go sook your thumb, I can feel your pain & sense of doom.
Have a wee sleep & it will be over soon.
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Yes. See Ogilvie, Campbell.
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Matthew
Have they really disclosed all of their shenanigans to the SFA in their annual accounts? As far as I’m aware all they disclosed was the fact that they were using EBT’s. Now that’s not the shenanigan part, but i expect you already know that.
“Celtic’s law firm”?
“Yet still no revelations” Where have you been for the past year? There has been a rather large volume of revelations although admittedly unsubstantiated at the moment. What I find particularly damning is the utter dearth of contrary evidence exonerating the “accused”.
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Ian, don’t know if you realise, football is run by a collection of people from the clubs, and has been since the leagues started.
Up until last year, not one club had a group of people who had enough influence to change the rules and regulations of our football governing bodies, but have now.
Guess who that team are?
Hypothetical question, If Celtic took the SFA to court, who would represent the SFA?
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There are Committees at the SFA which act in an arbitary fashion to suit their own ends. A good example of this would be the inconsistant performance of the disclipinary Committee which decided that Red Carded Rangers players & their Manager received no punishment while maxing that given out to Neil Lennon.
Until recently, I would have said Paul McBride, may his soul rest in peace, Now I don’t actually know.
I read somewhere that Neil Lennon will have legal representation at his SFA hearing so that may give an indication.
Was there a point to the question?
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A lawyer.
No fee for the advice.
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Bee 17 April 2012at 5:18 pm
So, in your opinion Lenny is a loose cannon, fair enough, what about Terry Buhcher’s comments,or the Mullet’s comment’s, or Craig Brown attacking his ex chairman, also attacking an opposition coach, what about sir cardigan going for Pattalinen (sp), or John Robertson kicking Lazlo after a euro cup tie.
Not to mention the shame game last season when the referee gets manhandled, and said referee sticks up for them, oh btw, Lenny was the only one to get punnished after the shame game, funny that, and you call him a loose cannon.
Dearie, dearie me.
It is personal, they hate him, it imo stems from dougie dougie gate, when they lied to cover their tracks, they demanded respect, respect has to be earned, they went on strike for what ? cos they were found out to have an agenda.
Celtic are not the only club being cheated, every other club have been cheated bar one.
I will give it a rest when we have a level playing field, when referees are honest and accountable.
I/we don’t want preferential treatment.
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Know what tim, I would like just one piece of accurate criticism about the referees and one piece of false reporting on Niel Lennon.
You will find neither, the only decision the referee got wrong on Sunday was allowing the Hooper goal to stand, he was off-side, the penalty for Hearts was a penalty, I initially felt it was harsh on Ledley, but the replays clearly show Wanyama leaning down and hitting them ball with his hand.
Lennon is being judged on the way he reacts to bad decisions, the only people who bring up his history are people who are trying to justify supporting him because he is “Celtic minded or an Irish catholic”, it’s time you took a step back and saw him for what he is and has always been, a bully who resorts to intimidation when things don’t go his way.
When are you going to realise religion has nothing to do with this.
Lennon acts like what he is, a bully, hope the SFA ban him for 6 months for the way he has tried to manipulate the officials.
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The rules require the hand to ball and the move to be deliberate, but observing rules is not exactly a strong point of Rangersd is it? So I can see how you think its a penalty.
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Utter rubbish, Matthew. Yes Hopper was offside. And Black should have got a straight red for his straight led challenge on Ledley. And a second yellow for a deliberate handball. The penalty was a joke decision. The ball was behind Wanyama, he was turning so it was clearly ball to hand. But hey, its not like the ref could even see it.
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I’m pretty sure the ref said Wanyama hand balled, if that is how he saw it, that is what matters. An honest decision, mind you when it comes to Celtic only the decisions that go for you are honest mistakes.
Thompson was a scream in his interview, the Hooper decision doesn’t matter it’s the penalty that cost us. Get a grip.
What I find interesting was that everyone said the ll hit Leldey’s hand, his hand was outstretched from his body, I think that was ago a penalty, a soft oe but still a penalty.
Watch the vt of Wanyama, he definitly put hand to ball, after the ball struck Ledley he then moved down towards the balleith his hand, I think he thought it was a penalty then withdrew his hand after.
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You’re making a total idiot of yourself. It was a crass, stupid joke. Hardly ‘wanted more Protestants to die’. Or can you not tell the difference?
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No, it was not a crass stupid joke, saying you want Protestants to die can never be deemed a crass stupid joke.
Especialliy in today’s climate in Scotland where people are being jailed and then sacked for sectarian comments, that only a few years ago were banter.
It needs to be the same rules for everyone.
You cannot jail then sack a person for making fun of a religious figure, then do nothing for the head of the official Celtic supporters organisation for wishing Protestants dead.
You cannot make light if situations when it suits you. Either all these tatements are crass joes or they are offensive, you can’t have both.
Wanting Protestants dead is asking for ethnic cleansing and I find it very offetnsive.
This is something people did not believe other people actually wanted, but when the head of the Official celtic supporters club openly asks for more protestants to be killed it confirms those fears.
It is not only Joe O’Rourke that’s made a full of himself, but also Celtic football club and every person who condones and supports him.
They are all deemed to be sectarian bigots in the new laws.
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‘Wanting Protestants dead is asking for ethnic cleansing and I find it very offetnsive’
So that’s you equate his joke to wanting ethnic cleansing? I find your stupidity offetnsive.
Not to mention insincere.
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Bruce,
Bang on, I have read this week about Dallas being a great guy, like Farry was too, whose career was cut short by a joke & Farry’s was cut short by an error of judgement. All in the MSM ad nauseum to be sympathised over.
Dallas WAS a Bully in his job in Scotland. Accusations of this are on file & unresolved, unless you accept the SFA bullying the guy who complained as a worthy resolution.
Farry was a PROVEN cheat who fell on his sword to keep the corrupt SFA out of it.
Mathew, I have watched your disgraceful supporters sing the Bouncy song, celebrating jumping on a Catholic’s head until he is dead, the Billy Boys, being up to yer knees in Fenian blood, the Famine song which denigrates over ONE Million dead.
Your phoney shock at O’Rourkes remarks are typical.
For the record I don’t like what he said, but by God, it fades into insignificance compared to what YOUR club’s supporters actually have done.
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Ian, what are you rabbiting on about, since when does two wrongs make a right?
You will need to educate me on doing the bouncy, being jumping on anyones head, I take it you’ve judged the meaning to suit your agenda.
We see this rubbish all to many times, especially on Internet forums, when something’s said there must be an alternative meaning to suit that particular agenda.
The bouncy was started as a celebration when a goal was scored, nothing more sinister than that. Would it be right if I decided to interpret the Poznan that your fans do after they score a goal as something more sinister, like it represents you turning your back on Britain and retuning to Ireland during the war.
See its easy isn’t it, of course the Poznan is nothing more than a celebration, which, when done collectively is a very good sight.
These songs were started during a different era in football that were used to wind up the opposition, every club in Scotland except celtic sing their version of the billy boys, and every club but rangers are allowed to sing it. The pc brigade are working overtime to get everything the rangers fans sing denigrated to mean something entirely different.
Personally I don’t care what anyone sings, songs don’t ruin people’s lives, terrorism ruins people’s lives.
No phoney shock of O’Rourke, I totally support the anti sectarian laws that have been introduced, but they have got to be balanced against all or no one. We have saw people being jailed for singing songs and here we have the head of the official Celtic supporters club, who is on regular contact with Lawwell, saying in public he wants protestants dead.
Whats really surprising is that nothing happened. This has set a precedent which will have further implications in the future.
What part of wanting Protestants dead is a crass joke?
I can understand why you hate Dallas, after all he was the ref that got attacked during the game when Rangers won the league at Celtic park, and then his house was attacked with windows broken, think that was 1999, then 10 years later he sends what he thought was a joke email warning of the safety of children on the catholic church and press pressure forced him to resign.
One person wants Protestants dead, the other states a fact about a scandle in the catholic church. One gets forced to resign through because of the press and political presure, the other gets told to keep quite and let the dust settle.
If Dallas was a bully he would have forced people to resign who would have a claim unfair dismissal, then he would have been forced to move on to something away from football, and save the SFA unnecessary embarrassment.
He was forced out of the SFA but still works for UEFA, surely they wouldn’t employ a bully?
Stick to facts, not rumour or innuendo that suits your particular argument.
I think neither are funny, and wish health and prosperity to all, you on the other hand want to feel persistently oppressed and use that for justifying your hate.
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Mathew that was some rant.
Facts are there to be seen:
20,000 Rangers fans singing the Famine Song & The Billy Boys are CONGRATULATED by the police & Politicians. No arrests.
At the Kilmarnock game, which should have been a coming together of the supporters in celebration & determination to save their club, in the eyes of the world what did we get? PURE HATRED, simple as that, The Pope got it, all the banned songs got belted out, the ref was a Fenian B*stard. etc. again no action taken by the police.
You say two wrongs don’t make a right & then complain that EVERY other club in Scotland has their version of the Billy Boys but only Rangers are sanctioned. Eh, did I get you right here?
You have just admitted that wee bonnie Scotland is indeed bigotted but poor old Rangers get the blame.
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Matthew. you’re something else, you really are. Most of us crack jokes that’re in poor taste about various historical events. Hell, I recall jokes about Michael Jackson within minutes of his death. However, I don’t think anyone who cracked a joke about him would be glad he was dead. Do you recall jokes like ‘What does NASA stand for?’ I doubt anyone wanted astronauts dead.
The difference between O’Rourke and Dallas is that Dallas was in a responsible and important position where he is not only supposed to be neutral but he has to be seen to be neutral. By forwarding that crass and stupid joke in a work email he compromised himself and scottish refereeing.
You seem to have a lot of knowledge of Lawwell and O’Rourke’s movements. Do you not think that points to an unhealthy obsession on your part?
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Exiled Tim, Apologies for the late response. I didnt realise there was more being said down here. I’ve been up at the top of the page responding to Ian.
I will try to make my point more clear.
Alex Thomson has been investigating the cheating at rangers and you came in with what is a typical celtic supporters response.
This is what drives un non O.F. fans nuts.
It’s always religion with you guys.
As for Lennon being a “loose cannon”. In my opinion Neil Lennon should be a number 2. I’m sure his commitment and aggresive style could be used to great effect to psyche up the team.
The manager of such a huge club should be a respected figure, someone who can be seen as a calming influence. Lennon makes it very easy for the media to portray him as a raving lunatic. His passion for the game is there for us all to see, but his continued whining at every opportunity doesnt endear him to anybody but a celtic support who embrace the victim mentality.
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As a Celtic supporter of 60 years standing I feel annoyed at your stereotyping.
I have no religous beliefs whatsoever and there are many like me.
Celtic fans do not chant about killing people who do have religious beliefs.
There are many fans of other clubs who do.
Something to do with up to their kness in blood.
Religion should have nothing to do with football, but others, mainly Rangers fans, make it their business to make sure it is.
What is laughable is the fact that the vast majority of Rangers fans who indulge in religious bigotry hold no religious beliefs of their own.
They just hate people who do.
Moral degenerates.
Disgusting.
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I think you should go to the games and listen to the hatred sung by the Celtic fans. What do you call it, the IRAoke I believe.
They disguise this as political chants, they are not, they are about killing Protestants, you know it and I know it.
You cannot justify celebrating people being killed ‘for the cause’.
The chief of the Official Celtic supporters clubs stated on twitter he wanted protestants to die. He Represents EVERY Celtic fan and has meetings with the Celtic hierarchy.
So what are we to believe, Celtic are an non inclusive club that is open to all or it is a secluded sectarian bigot supporting club.
By not condemning Joe O’Rourke you are condoning his actions, therefor you are all labelled the same, bigotted sectarians who want Protestants to die.
And not content with that, he publicly advertises fund raising events for the members of he IRA who are in prison, pow’s he calls them.
The only way for you to loose the Real Sectarian Bigot tag is to condemn Joe O’Rourke, and that won’t happen, because you agree with him.
Ian, watch the vt of he Rangers Kilmarnock game again, you will clearly hear and see the Kilmarnock supporters singing their version of the Billy Boys.
You seem to be going a long way to prove that Rangers fans are sectarian bigots, even getting a leading figure in the Catholic Church to publicly state it. That went quiet after his advisors realised it was the Killy fans, I think you’d do well to follow his lead.
Funny how you all conveniently forget to condemn Joe O’Rourke, who publicly stated he wants Protestants dead and raises funds for the IRA pow’s.
Bruce, I’m something else, you are being a tad hypocritical are you not.
Dallas made a crass joke about a factual situation that will take the catholic church a long time to recover from.
Joe O’Rourke wanted Protestants to die, I think in the crass joke category Joe wins hands down.
What I find amazing is that you cannot differentiate between a scandle where no one died to wanting people who follow a Christian religion DEAD, not only that, but he majority population in he country where you enjoy your freedom.
The way you try and cover your hatred is astounding.
If i were a catholic I would be offended by Dallas’s joke, but would be more embarrassed about the events surrounding the joke and putting energy into ensuring nothing like that appended again, but unfortunately, you would rather throw bricks through his windows when women and kids are inside. He didn’t cause the scandle, he didn’t commit the abuse, the people in a position of trust within the catholic church did. The really amusing thing about this scandle was instead of standing up against them you try and cover it up, wow.
The real effects being the congregation you’ve lost will be lost to christianity and struggle to return.
Here we have a promenant if not the top Celtic supporter in the world wanting Protestants dead, again what is the reaction, we will ignore it and cover it up. Unfortunately in todays pc climate, when you do not condemn things like this you are condoning it, silence I consent.
Therefore, as Joe has shown everyone he is a Sectarian bigot, everyone who stays silent condones him are also sectarian bigots.
You have a choice, you can also stand up to him and condemn him for the embarrassment he has caused the good celtic fans who respect all, or stay quiet, deny it happened and hope it goes away.
You choose.
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‘they are about killing Protestants, you know it and I know it.’
Right, according to you, Celtic supporters want protestants killed.
Your stupidity plumbs new depths. Though no doubt you’ll still try to take it one further.
‘Here we have a promenant if not the top Celtic supporter in the world wanting Protestants dead’ Jeez….
You show me where any of us on here have said anything other than it was a crass stupid joke? Do that instead of indulging in the worst, most crass, most knuckleheaded stereotyping I’ve seen in quite some time.
‘That went quiet after his advisors realised it was the Killy fans’ Ah, our old pal, a big boy did it…
Don’t you have anything to say on the Rangers version of the billy boys – including the scumbag the song celebrates – or the famine/racist song, or no pope of rome or the add ons to simply the best? No? ‘Course you don’t.
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Some rant sunshine, if you read my post & answer it properly you would be worth debating with.
Was it the Killie fans Fkn the Pope & calling the ref a Fenian B*stard?
Any freedoms I have, or my ancestors got, we gained for ourselves in spite of Scottish CHRISTIAN input their nazi anti Irish Catholic policies.
If that anti Catholic bile is classsed as Christianity in this wee country it is no wonder we are in the state we are.
Watch out for Scottish CHRISTIANITY marching in a town near you soon. It’s their culture…. So I’ve been told.
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If you read my previous posts you would have read that these were sung at a time when society was very different I fully support the sectarian laws if everyone is treated equally.
You might find the bigoted sectarian statement that Joe O’Rourke wanting protestants dead as a crass joke, Protestants find it very OFFENSIVE.
Joe O’Rourke the CHIEF of the OFFICIAL CELTIC SUPPORTERS CLUBS, the Man who represents all CELTIC supporters admitted he wants Protestants dead. Every Celtic supporter who condones his statement also want Protestants dead.
If he was truly sorry and does not wish anyone of a different religion dead, he couldn’t bring himself to us the word Protestant, why does he arrange fund raising events for ‘pow’s?
Hardly live and let live, we all have a choice, it is not too late for you.
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Ian, if there was sufficient evidence that Rangers fans sung the billy boys and shouted the refs a Fenian Bast*rd during he Kilmarnock game do you really think the Catholic church would have dropped its protest so quickly?
Really, the ea of the catholic church being told he was hearing the Rangers fans when in fact he was hearing Killie fans, how embarrassing.
Did the Rangers fans sing the billy boys et all during the league cup final?
I take it you also condone Joe O’Rourkes statement.
What I really in find peculiar about you last statement was the reference to scottish christian nazi anti Irish policies.
That is a peach and shows me just how confused you really are, Brittish citizens fought the Germans to maintian freedom, especially freedom of speech.
Catholics have been gradually gaining control of the Scottish parliament and press, what are the first controls to be put in place? Yes you’ve guessed it, we’ve been discussing it the last couple of days, freedom of speech.
Let’s see, who also wanted to oppress the citizens by removing freedom of speech, then tried to dictate to the rest of the world, yes you guessed it again, the Nazi’s.
Where does hail hail come from, yes you guessed it again.
Who is the head of the Roman catholic church, correct again.
No Ian, Scottish Christians are not nazi’s, getting the picture are we, just because you openly try to say its Rangers fans that are H*ns, you now know why that reference pisses of British Citizens, not just rangers fans.
My forefathers died protecting our freedom from nazi fascism, and that statement tells me you also dislike nazi’ism, I dont think we are that far apart.
So the Scottish Christianity want to march in Scotland, can’t be right, how dare they want to march in celebration of THEIR country, or do the fascists want to stop the as well?
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Matthew, your lunacy continues unabated. You truly are pushing it one further. Are you ‘Joe Strummer’ or even Leggat?
If all it boiled down to was you finding O’Rourke’s crass tweet offensive…sorry OFFENSIVE…then I couldn’t criticise you for it. I could easily see why someone with a thin skin might react that way, even allowing for what I said about humour.
But you warped logic which sees O’Rourke representing all Celtic fans (he doesn’t) and therefore, somehow, getting to we all want the ethnic cleansing of protestants is pure comedy. Yet you twist, deflect and deny form the stuff the rangers support sings. Where does your cartoon logic take you there?
‘just because you openly try to say its Rangers fans that are H*ns, you now know why that reference pisses of British Citizens, not just rangers fans.’ Actually, that reference doesn’t piss off British Citizens. It just pisses off Rangers supporters. Non Celtic or Rangers supporting British Citizens really couldn’t give a monkeys what you get called. In fact, I’ve seen many of them call you huns.
I really am giving you far too much of my time.
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Bruce, thank you for your acknowledgement that Joe O’Rourke wants Protestants dead.
Unfortunately, he is the general secretary of the Official Celtic supporters club, who has meetings and guidance from Lawwell.
When you have guidance from the Celtic CE, then he is most definitely giving guidance to the Celtic supporters and is safe to assume is speaking for the entire Celtic support when making statements.
It is not thin skinned to critisize sectarian bigots who wishes Protestants dead, it is strength of character to highlight the error of hs and his followers ways.
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Matthew, is there no end to your drivel?
I said nothing of the sort, which you know. But that’s not stopping you lying, is it?
‘is safe to assume is speaking for the entire Celtic support when making statements’ Rubbish. I doubt before this carry on blew up 90% of the Celtic support even knew who he was.
Out of curiosity, does Mark Dingwall, a much more high profile figure with an extraordinary track record of bigotry, speak for you?
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Bruce, you do realsie by not condemning Joe O’Rourkes wishes for more protestants dead you are condoning it.
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Matthew, take a look behind you. Your club is dying and all you trouble yourself with coming onto a blog about it and spewing your persistent, idiotic anti-Celtic nonsense. No wonder Rangers are screwed if you’re representative of their support. You’re too busy hating Celtic to care about your own team. Bye bye Matthew.
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Matthew, Matthew.
I feel your pain, I really do, your club are drawing their last few breaths, and still all you can do is attack.
The world will be a safer place when your club is dead and gone.
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Tim, you feel my pain, no pain here.
My club?
Thought the conversation was about referees and Neil Lennon, cannot give a reasonable answer so deflect, typical.
Time for you to realise, there is no conspiracy, much to your annoyance.
Celtic lost because they missed 5 clear goal scoring opportunities
Have a good day.
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Matthew
I’ll bite then, don’t know why but I will.
So let’s take the game on sunday then, the referee had a few big calls and got them wrong imo.
The offside goal…..
IMO he was level, other Celtic supporters have said he was off, all non Celtic supporters say he was off, the referee did not give it, it was his assistant.
The penalty……
When I hear the pundits saying it was not a penalty, that is good enough for me, never a penalty, the rules state that handball has to be intentional, them’s are the rules, never any intent.
He got that wrong, he got the Webster one later right, no intent.
Ian Black’s assault on Ledley, a straight red all day long…..
He got that one wrong.
Ian Black’s deliberate hand ball, a yellow card all day long, them’s the rules Matthew, he got that one wrong.
Two game changing decisions Matthew which the referee got wrong.
Yes I accept we were woefull in front of goal, but when a referee gives a decision that wins the game for the opposition any manager worth his salt would have reacted like Lenny did.
Or do you want him to take it on the chin like big Tony did, he was also cheated, we even had referees coming out a day or so after he had been cheated to apologise for cheating him.
No, what’s bothering the media is Lenny won’t take it on the chin, he will call them out for the cheats they are, that’s what you can’t handle.
Or is it cos he is Irish, Catholic, both, or has ginger hair.
He has done nothing worse than any other manager has.
Name one thing he has done that another manager has not done, just one thing, think hard now, just one thing, think of it as a challenge.
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Mmmm, let’s see, one thing he has done that no other manager has done.
Run 70 yards, yes 70 yards onto a football pitch to remonstrate with the referee.
Do you want more? Because, as you know I could fill the board with what he’s done.
The black incidents, I personally think the first challenge was a bit reckless, unfortunately for him he has previous for these type of challenges when under pressure and could on another day been no card or a red card depending on the ref.
The hand ball, if it was done before the yellow card could have been a yellow, but bearing in mind it was a semi final I think the ref showed leniency, mind you me saying that will leed to it being a conspiracy from your camp.
I think Neil Lennon, as every other manager has the right to complain, but this must be done following the correct procedures.
The SFA have put this fast track system in pace to ensure people deemed to be brining them game into disrepute are dealt with quickly and efficiently, but , and here is the real conspiracy, the system was manipulated to ensure Neil Lennon was in the dugout in the semi final, he has 3 pending claims against him. The first from 4 weeks ago.
Every other payer or manager in Scotland has been tried within 2 weeks, why has Lennon been allowed to have 3 pending for 4 weeks?
The one from 4 weeks ago, yet another thing no other manager in history has done is call a referees a disgrace and his decisions were criminal on national television.
Let’s see what repercussions are there for this type of behaviour, firstly those who support him for being Celtic minded either send the ref death threats and throw bricks through their windows.
This is the main reason why he needs to follow the correct procedures, if he could stem the tirade of abusive behaviour he would also stop the lunatics behaviour. They see what he gets away with and think its ok for them to follow.
As Celtic manager Neil Lennon has a very big responsibility, there are ways to get what you want, acting like a bully and ned is not it.
What I find peculiar in all this is no one is talking about his ability to manage and motivate a team to win cup finals and semi finals against vastly inferior teams, yes he is playing the victim card again and you all falling for it again.
He is the manager of Celtic and has a big responsibility maintain credibility, he is definitely discrediting the club with his behaviour.
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How did the ref apply the laws of the game when he gave a penalty for BALL TO HAND?
Very lenient behaviour indeed, oh sorry the LENIENCY was towards HEARTS because it was a semi….Hmmm, Yep got it now.
By YOUR interpretation of the refs actions he was STILL inconsistent AGAINST Celtic.
Hearts: NO RED CARD? ref Lenient in your opinion. Excuse? It’s a semi.
No 2nd YELLOW?, Ditto, semi, ref wants to be lenient.
Very lenient so far.
Celtic: BALL TO HAND, RESULT? PENALTY. OOOPs let’s review your mince.
The ref lets a RED & SECOND YELLOW go cos it’s a SEMI then gives a PENALTY against Celtic outwith the rules… where the F*ck did this leniency, cos it’s a semi, go?
Oh there it is, Heart’s ball to hand is treated leniently again…. Where is the consistency there?
Tell you about consistency, Keevins took delight in recalling Jock Stein chasing a ref when Celtic got robbed, Big Jock chased him, told him & then told the press.
Funny how it never changes, INCONSISTENT REFS THEN, HONEST MISTAKES now, but think on it, Lenny ran in the footsteps of a LEGEND who would not accept the cheating… Keep it up, the cheats will be found out & fall, unless the SFA refuse to change.
It will then be up to UEFA.
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Getting a bit boring, ever hear the phrase “always cheated never defeated”, this has become celtics mantra.
Celtic lost because they missed 5 clear chances, if they scored one of ese sitters we would not be discussing the other minor details.
Cant believe you lost another big game against inferior opposition, who can you blame.
Try blaming your manager, coaches and players, they are the ones who messed up.
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So you know you’ve lost the argument?
‘Cant believe you lost another big game against inferior opposition’ I couldn’t believe we lost to Rangers either.
Anyway, AT’s blog… bizarrely, its one there’s not a lot to say about, other than to comment on Whyte’s apparent calmness about all this. Either he’s completely out of touch with reality or its all going to plan and he knows he’s untouchable.
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Matthew
Steven Pressley ran on to the pitch to confront the referee, got a 4 match ban for his troubles, must try harder mi amigo.
Ian Black’s challenge was a red card, it wasn’t reckless, it was common assault.
Forget about the referee showing leniancy cos it was a cup semi final, he did not apply the laws of the game, that mi amigo is cheating.
As for the all new super dooper fast track system that the sfa have set up, it applys only to players, managers are not under the same umbrella.
Now if you think there is a conspiracy afoot that Lenny gets preferencial treatment, I beg to differ, they have conspired against him so they can lump them all together and hammer him all the harder.
But there may well be another reason for their delay in holding up their diciplinary procedure, and that could be because the referee and the fourt official have made conflicting statements as to what transpired in the tunnel, hence the time lapse needed to get a few things straightened out and get a few reports revampd, or am I a paranoid Tim, we will see anyways.
So we have other scottish managers assaulting directors, and foriegn coaches and you think Lenny is a bully.
I must have missed the outrage from the scottish media when that happened.
This is a man who has had bombs and bullits sent to him, has had his family threatened and has had them moved on more than a few times to a safe house in the middle of the night for their own safety, this is a man who was assaulted at his place of work, and the man who assaulted him admitted assaulting him, and yet he got found not guilty.
Does Terry Bucher not have to follow the same procedures ? or the Mullet, why is it only the Celtic manager that has to follow the procedures, and when he doesn’t he is up before the suits.
And you have never heard Butcher, Ferguson, Wenger, Warnock, Brown, I could go on, calling referees decisions a disgrace, selective deafness must be a terrible affliction mi amigo.
At least Lenny will have a club to manage next season if he so wishes.
Still waiting for one thing he has done that another manager has not done.
You sound like Hugh Keevins btw.
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Tim, nice try, Steven Pressley did not run 70 yards onto the park.
You have your opinion and I have mine on the black incident, but I’m not a referee and can only call it as I see it.
The referee’s showed leniency to more than one person that day, I’m pretty sure a Celtic payer dived in the box but wasn’t shown a yellow card for simulation. They call the decisions as they see them.
The fast track system was set up because of the referee strike, and is for both players and managers, ask Stuart McCall, mmm lets see, who instigated the refs strike.
The referee and fourth official issue their own versions of events in their own words, it is the interpretation of these reports that you are misrepresenting.
If both these reports were word perfect they would be claims of conspiracy, can’t win either way.
Can you tell me of the Scottish managers who assaulted directors, didn’t read that one.
None of the mentioned managers called a referee criminal, you are now trying to deflect away from the problem that is Neil Lennon, we are concentrating on his misdemeanours and deflecting from his inability to select and motivate his team to beat inferior teams in cup finals and semi finals, he is playing the victim card again and you’re all buying it.
When the final whistle went the first thing he done was to think about how to deflect the flack, and the ref won.
Time for you to wake up and realise what this guy is up to, I think he is manipulating the situation to his advantage.
Yes I think you could be paranoid tim, no ones deliberately out to get you, or are you used to manipulating people to get what you want and that’s why you have that thought process.
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‘who instigated the refs strike.’ Dougie McDonald.
‘Can you tell me of the Scottish managers who assaulted directors, didn’t read that one’ Cuddly old Craig Brown. After he tried to lamp the, IIRC, Odense coach. Pay attention.
Honestly, if you think Lenny calling a ref’s conduct criminal (and its not like Lenny meant it literally) is the worst a manger’s said about refs then you really should get out more
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Bruce, thanks for that, forgot aboutt the Brown incident, thought he was salt with according to the SFA procedures?
Not sure how many offences he had, but in no way can you compare it to the number of times Lennon has been called to question his action.
Let’s see now, this last month where everything matters, Lennons been called 4 times.
4 times in one month, and your trying to compare him with someone who’s not mbeen called 4 times in his entire career.
You need to get real.
Neil Lennon acts like a thug who can’t get his own way, showing up his own inadequacies.
What I can’t understand is why you defend him, his actions are becoming indefensible.
He is detracting from his inability to manage a successful football club successfully, and you are buying into it.
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Matthew, you hate Neil Lennon. We see that, there’s really no need to rationalise it with nonsense.
Pressley ran on the pitch but didn’t run 70 yards. Wow, that makes all the difference.
Craig Brown assaults two people on the side of the pitch in one season, but that’s nothing to Neil Lennon’s comments. Right.
‘He is detracting from his inability to manage a successful football club successfully’ He’s a young manager who has just won the league before the split with a young squad of players most of whom were bought cheaply and whose value has multiplied. I hope his inability to manage a football club successfully continues.
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Matthew
Here is a wee bit of class and dignity for you.
http://t.co/9qpwGTfI
http://t.co/DiRYL5RG
http://t.co/VKYiPAWs
http://t.co/Mgy9pnYG
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Ah well for sure that last post won’t make it past the mods, pity that, it just shows that the vendetta against Neil Lennon is real and that scottish football is rotten to the core.
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Matthew
I have been spanked for posting too quickly.
We are just going to have to agree to disagree.
I have a post in moderation which I doubt will get past, nothing defamatory, just a few twitter pics showing others who have done things and not a mention in the media.
Craig Brown assaulted his ex director at Motherwell, John Boyle when he returned with Aberdeen, why am I not surprised you didn’t read or hear about it in the media.
Not paranoid any more.
Oh and the strike was instigated by the referees, nothing to do with Celtic, it was the referees who lied, it was the referees who tried to cover their tracks and were caught out.
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Tim, your loyalty is admirable, when are you going to realise that Neil Lennon is a liability who will bring everyone around him down with his antics to deflect away from his inability to manage a massiv rootball calib successfully.
We are talking about things that went wrong against Celtic in yet another important game.
This is how he works, deny and deflect attention away from the real issue.
If Celtic scored with any of the 5 sitters they had, I would be congratulating your teams performance for winning a football game, but because of your teams inability to score in important games we are yet again talking about Neil Lennons reactions, and not talking about the game we love, football.
The game is about incidents that win games, have Hearts had any good press, no. Did Kilmarnock have any good press, no.
What is the connection?
PS, by comparing Neil Lennons indiscressions to rare events by other managers is comparing a first offender to a serial offender.
Neil Lennon has been called to defend himself more times this month than Craig Brown has in his whole career.
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Soon you won’t need to concern yourself with Neil Lennon.
Very soon.
Rangers will be gone within the week, and the Rangers hordes will have to find something else to focus their vile attention on.
Good riddance.
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‘have Hearts had any good press, no. Did Kilmarnock have any good press’
Hearts and Kilmarnock got plenty of good press praising their performances. You’re detached from reality if you think they didn’t.
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Unfortunately because of your blind loyalty, you cannot see what he is doing.
So I will try another tact by asking a simple question, what are the benefits to Lennons behaviour towards referees?
Does it get decisions over turned – no.
Does it change the result – no
Does it put Neil Lennon in the headlines about poor refereeing decisions – yes.
Does it highlight Neil Lennons ability to motivate his players. – no
Does it highlight Neil Lennons tactical ability – no
Does it highlight a winning mentality – no
Does it highlight the gulf in class between Celtic players and other teams – no
The only benefit I see is that the story is still about Neil Lennons continual fight against the referees.
C When he remonstrates in the manor he does he incites other people to do things they would not normally do.
This siege mentality he as created has caused referees to have death threats.
This is only a game of football, and he is willing to incite people to threaten other people because he could not win a game.
He knows exactly how that feels and you would think that he would think twice about playing a part that subjects another human being to this.
That behaviour is totally unacceptable in today’s society.
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Oh, and just to answer your question –
‘what are the benefits to Lennons behaviour towards referees?’
The benefits may not be immediately tangible. But we saw in the Mowbray season, with his ‘take it on the chin’ attitude an unprecedented series of honest mistakes against Celtic and for Rangers. But at least Lennon’s keeping the ref’s decisions in the spotlight.
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Paulo Sergio asked the Scottish press why Hearts did not receive the credit they deserved after beating Celtic in the Scottish FA cup semi- final.
Yes they have had plenty of praise coverage, deny and deflect the Celtic way since 1888.
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‘This is only a game of football, and he is willing to incite people to threaten other people because he could not win a game.’ Honestly, if you believe that you’re a complete numbnut.
He’s a young manager who’s been the subject of unprecedented pressure and bigotry, who’s passionate about his job and his team. He’s got a burning sense of injustice about what he sees as double standards in this country in terms of how the football establishment and press treat him compared to other teams and managers. He’s just seen his team lose three biggish games on the back of several very, very contentious decisions. In all those games, there’s been maybe one (the Hooper offside) which has wrongly been given in favour of his team. There are plenty of managers who frequently comment on the refs. There are plenty of successful managers who confront refs when they’re not happy about decisions. What he doesn’t do is go out of his way to pick a fight, what he doesn’t do it trade blows with others. What he doesn’t do is get taken to court for fighting at the game.
I’ve no doubt that as he gets older and wiser he’ll calm down a bit. Not living with death threats and abuse from people who’ve hated him from the moment he came to Scotland would help.
I don’t suffer from blind loyalty. What I do is look at his behaviour in context. What you do is hate. That much is obvious.
‘That behaviour is totally unacceptable in today’s society.’
Get a grip.
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